Something you will never hear someone say-
 

Something you will never hear someone say-
"I voted for it"

I can't wait to fly with some of those goobers that put out the vote yes stuff with their/there/they're names on it...

I voted for it.

My congratulations to the majority whose opinion prevailed. I look forward to better things ahead and will happily eat a steaming plate of crow when they come.

As I discussed the merits (and lack thereof) of the TA with those I flew with, who were both for and against the agreement, however, the term "goober" nor any other form of name-calling came to mind when doing so. I respect the honest opinions and differences of everyone and trust in the collective wisdom of the majority.

Here's to better things ahead.

BTW, my real name is Spence Johnson (SLC 73N Capt). What's yours?

Nicely done, Spence.

I voted for it also, and I sincerely felt I was doing the best thing for my family, and the group. I have no regrets.

Let's all hope together that people like you and I are not proven right by events. There is a lot of work to do, with humility and unity.

Ditto, Spence... Well said!

Why did you guys vote yes?

Were you really happy with the TA or do you have other reasons?

I personally felt the cons far outweighed the pros.

This is not what we need now

This victory has the potential to spin out of control and end up with factions versus factions.

"I want more pay versus I want my OE trips back"

"Alpa versus DPA"

'No' voters on a witch hunt to humiliate Yes voters.

The Goal here is a world class contract while the environment is ripe to do it. Not to start tearing eachother apart.

It's all about unity going forward. We're gonna need it in spades to tangle with management and do better. It's corporate greed vs. labor, a classic fight ahead.

It was a marginal TA because the company has a lot of options to drag this out, in a traditional process, as they are at SWA, FedEx, etc. I figured they overplayed their hand because they felt very little threat of adverse consequences, IOW because they could. I saw no plan except anger in the organized no-vote, and I saw little potential of the group unlocking the debate. I was absolutely incorrect on that last point. It's a welcome surprise. No one here would succeed if we were staring at a 50.5% pass OR a 50.5% fail right now.

65% creates an opportunity. Let's see us take advantage of it.

I voted yes after reading the TA in its entirety several times, before the MEC sales job and before any RA fear mongering. The sick leave, JV provisions, and LCA trip concessions were not sufficiently onerous IMO to vote no, and I was content with the pay picture - - even with the hit to profit sharing. Obviously I am in a distinct minority.

Anyway, the ship has sailed and I will not look back. I 100% hope that my opinions are proven wrong in the course of future events. I agree wholeheartedly that the system and the process worked very well with this TA. It is beyond apparent that our MEC and negotiators did not properly represent the will of the majority.

Very well put.

Very true.

Carl

Great victory for the pilots. Let's not use it as an opportunity to turn on our own.

Well said.....

War story time. When NWA was on strike, I'm sure there were guys who didn't agree with going out. But, they did the walk of the living dead on the picket line with a smile on their faces (on break anyway).

We're all in this together......NO WITCH HUNTS, from either side.

OK , maybe at the MEC:D

Ferd

Agreed, im not interested at this point in who voted what since we have to look forward. We have A LOT of work to do. The Delta Pilots are in a surplus budget situation. Lets vote in some new reps (Im going to throw my name in the hat) and lets pass a resolution to spend our budget surplus on the best labor firm in America and the best non-ALPA negotiators they have to offer to sit alongside with us. Giddy up!

Hey, Spence. This is Jerry Dessert. Well-said, my old friend. I was a strong "no" voter, but I would never characterize a yes voter as a "goober". I trust my fellow pilots and respect opinions, whether or not I agree with them. Good luck to us all. I'm all for cleaning house at DALPA, but brow-beating our fellow line pilots is counter-productive.

Besides, the no vote is only mile marker 1 on a long road to victory!

I'm not in favor of the dpa, I think if one wants to toss out the union you just got handed an enormous gift with a landslide no vote AND you have a list of several reps that stuck their necks out and said vote no.

Replace Donatelli with one of those for starters and you may just achieve the overhaul you seek.

Congratulations to the majority. I respect your view and even though I voted yes, we're all in this together. I'm glad that over 97% voted their conscience..now we have to respect their view and move forward.

CG Out

The strike vote was approx 95% for the action with 98% voting.

If you voted yes for this TA then that tells me you would vote for pretty much anything put in front of you..

That is the goal for most but not all pilots especially some of the posters on here. There were other agendas. I voted no on the merits of the contract. I voted no in the hopes of a better contract. We need to come together and work for that contract but sadly one group will work to devide us at every opportunity. That is going to pull money out of Delta pilot pockets.

Interesting perspective. The real majority just spoke. Those of us labeled angry and emotional miscreants turned out to be the majority. The minority who happen to hold leadership positions said there is no more left to get and no plan B. Their opinion is the clear minority now.

So the question is: If they continue in those leadership positions...who is doing the dividing sailingfun?

Carl

Carl, did you call for the replacement of the no voters after contract 2012?

sailing-
You can't possibly believe that we can move forward without major changes in the MEC leadership.

I am NOT in favor of the DPA, but -
If the Moakists don't relinquish power then that is exactly what we are going to get.

ALPA's future on this property is in extreme peril right now.
Buzz Hazzard's missive is a very ominous signal.
This could get real ugly if the old power structure tries to hang on.

65-35 can not be ignored. NOBODY expected a repudiation of that magnitude.

No, because they were not in leadership positions. If that NO on C2012 opinion had also been running the MEC administration, then I would have called for their resignations...even though I agreed with their opinion. Why? Because leaders can't hold a minority opinion in a bottom-up democracy.

Appreciate how quickly you parrot this MEC administration talking point however.

Carl

I don't believe DPA is the answer but I don't know who to trust right now. ALPA tells the Wall Street Journal that the pilots voted down Big Pay Raises. How much worse could they have portrayed us? DALPA is making us look like quite the greedy bunch. Very upset with this press release.

+1

I voted no also, fine with the pay rates, not excited about PS but also do not have unrealistic expectations 15/8/8/8 rates etc...

My serious disappointments were in the JV language (company is not in compliance losing grievance) but ALPA negotiating TA to allow JV relief. Sick policy changes etc...

PLUS I was so disgusted with the ALPA sell job, the bold print "encourage you to vote in favor blah blah blah" at the end of every notepad. Listening to the discussions at the table in ATL crew lounge was nauseating, seemed they were trying so desperately to "spin" sell everything.

"Look... we still aren't as bad off as American, UAL " leapfrogging down !

No hurry, let's get it worked out !

I was about to defend Sailing with the thought that maybe you had misinterpreted his post, but then I saw his reply.

I thought the group Sailing was referring to as "dividing us" was the leadership that used all the spin it could muster to get this TA over 50.01% Apparently I was wrong.

But that's the group that I am concerned about right now. If the MEC Chairman was willing to use scare tactics, shut down fellow pilots in crew lounges just for sharing outher LEC literature, spin, cut short the 60 day period, spin, etc. etc, .... well, I'm sorry, but I don't trust a man who's ego (and personal gain?) pushed him to put the interests of the pilot force second to anything else. He has shown that with all the data, surveys, communication assets, staff, money, and resources he would not listen to the will of the pilot group, and even then failed at getting his top priority accomplished--he failed himself; he failed the company, and most importantly he failed us. Why has he not stepped down? Ego and objectives that run counter to the pilot group desires will not magically vanish overnight--he can not be trusted and must go.

Sailing,

Did the C2012 "no voters" misrepresent what was and wasn't in the TA after sending it out without recommendation?

I flew with a "yes voter" who switched to "no" the day before the vote closed, because of a Fed Ex Paper written by the DPA.

I'll repeat it again: A "YES VOTER" SEARCHING FOR, READING, AND BELIEVING DPA STUFF A DAY BEFORE THE VOTE CLOSED, CHANGED HIS VOTE, BECAUSE OF THE DPA.

How does that happen?

Because, by the end of the campaign, the side you seem to be protecting had NO credibility. ZERO. NONE.

There was nothing tin that TA that the membership wanted in a bad way.


What are they going to come out and say after their 7/21 meeting? "We will send out another survey to see what the membership wants?" :confused:

Yeah, right. :cool:

They won't suddenly regain credibility, because the vote is over. Once it's gone, it's gone.

They have got to go and you know it.

Why wait until the 21st? They should resign tomorrow.

I frankly do not trust the individuals and administration that produced this ta and sent it out for memrat to continue in any capacity representing us.

At a minimum their judgment is defective. At the extreme, and in light of the hostile attitude to the membership...I would not put it past them to enable an even more unacceptable outcome...all to be able to say "We told you so".

I don't think you need to worry.
The current regime will not be negotiating any more TAs.
If they tried that, ALPA would be toast.

I imagine ALPA National and the AFL-CIO are explaining that to them right now.

Give it a few days. We're going to see a lot of resignations.