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Old 07-10-2015 | 12:49 PM
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Something you will never hear someone say-
"I voted for it"

I can't wait to fly with some of those goobers that put out the vote yes stuff with their/there/they're names on it...
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by horseface
Something you will never hear someone say-
"I voted for it"

I can't wait to fly with some of those goobers that put out the vote yes stuff with their/there/they're names on it...
I voted for it.

My congratulations to the majority whose opinion prevailed. I look forward to better things ahead and will happily eat a steaming plate of crow when they come.

As I discussed the merits (and lack thereof) of the TA with those I flew with, who were both for and against the agreement, however, the term "goober" nor any other form of name-calling came to mind when doing so. I respect the honest opinions and differences of everyone and trust in the collective wisdom of the majority.

Here's to better things ahead.

BTW, my real name is Spence Johnson (SLC 73N Capt). What's yours?
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fp88ren
I voted for it.

My congratulations to the majority whose opinion prevailed. I look forward to better things ahead and will happily eat a steaming plate of crow when they come.

As I discussed the merits (and lack thereof) of the TA with those I flew with, who were both for and against the agreement, however, the term "goober" nor any other form of name-calling came to mind when doing so. I respect the honest opinions and differences of everyone and trust in the collective wisdom of the majority.

Here's to better things ahead.

BTW, my real name is Spence Johnson (SLC 73N Capt). What's yours?
Nicely done, Spence.

I voted for it also, and I sincerely felt I was doing the best thing for my family, and the group. I have no regrets.

Let's all hope together that people like you and I are not proven right by events. There is a lot of work to do, with humility and unity.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:23 PM
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Ditto, Spence... Well said!
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:28 PM
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Why did you guys vote yes?

Were you really happy with the TA or do you have other reasons?

I personally felt the cons far outweighed the pros.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by horseface
Something you will never hear someone say-
"I voted for it"

I can't wait to fly with some of those goobers that put out the vote yes stuff with their/there/they're names on it...
This is not what we need now

This victory has the potential to spin out of control and end up with factions versus factions.

"I want more pay versus I want my OE trips back"

"Alpa versus DPA"

'No' voters on a witch hunt to humiliate Yes voters.

The Goal here is a world class contract while the environment is ripe to do it. Not to start tearing eachother apart.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:38 PM
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It's all about unity going forward. We're gonna need it in spades to tangle with management and do better. It's corporate greed vs. labor, a classic fight ahead.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by thinkstraight
Why did you guys vote yes?

Were you really happy with the TA or do you have other reasons?

I personally felt the cons far outweighed the pros.
It was a marginal TA because the company has a lot of options to drag this out, in a traditional process, as they are at SWA, FedEx, etc. I figured they overplayed their hand because they felt very little threat of adverse consequences, IOW because they could. I saw no plan except anger in the organized no-vote, and I saw little potential of the group unlocking the debate. I was absolutely incorrect on that last point. It's a welcome surprise. No one here would succeed if we were staring at a 50.5% pass OR a 50.5% fail right now.

65% creates an opportunity. Let's see us take advantage of it.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by thinkstraight
Why did you guys vote yes?

Were you really happy with the TA or do you have other reasons?

I personally felt the cons far outweighed the pros.
I voted yes after reading the TA in its entirety several times, before the MEC sales job and before any RA fear mongering. The sick leave, JV provisions, and LCA trip concessions were not sufficiently onerous IMO to vote no, and I was content with the pay picture - - even with the hit to profit sharing. Obviously I am in a distinct minority.

Anyway, the ship has sailed and I will not look back. I 100% hope that my opinions are proven wrong in the course of future events. I agree wholeheartedly that the system and the process worked very well with this TA. It is beyond apparent that our MEC and negotiators did not properly represent the will of the majority.
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Old 07-10-2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt
This is not what we need now

This victory has the potential to spin out of control and end up with factions versus factions.

"I want more pay versus I want my OE trips back"

"Alpa versus DPA"

'No' voters on a witch hunt to humiliate Yes voters.

The Goal here is a world class contract while the environment is ripe to do it. Not to start tearing eachother apart.
Very well put.
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