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EGTrise 07-10-2015 04:39 PM
Are the DALPA Yes Men trying to ensure
 
...that the membership pays the "price" for not falling in line?

This sort of news release makes it seem so:
"...Although investors reacted favorably to the news, the negative vote is a setback for Delta, which set a goal of concluding a labor deal months ahead of schedule.


In a fact sheet for pilots, the union quoted Delta's Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson as saying, "Failure to ratify the agreement will lead to a very different and longer path that will not result in a better deal. Uncertainty will prevail, and that will not be good for anybody."


Delta said it could not confirm the comment...."


Delta Air Lines pilots reject tentative contract: union | Reuters

Seriously? Our own "Union" is putting out information that is clearly designed to push RA into a credibility corner? These guys need to go. Really, really soon.:eek:

Carl Spackler 07-10-2015 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by EGTrise (Post 1926598)
...that the membership pays the "price" for not falling in line?

This sort of news release makes it seem so:
"...Although investors reacted favorably to the news, the negative vote is a setback for Delta, which set a goal of concluding a labor deal months ahead of schedule.


In a fact sheet for pilots, the union quoted Delta's Chief Executive Officer Richard Anderson as saying, "Failure to ratify the agreement will lead to a very different and longer path that will not result in a better deal. Uncertainty will prevail, and that will not be good for anybody."


Delta said it could not confirm the comment...."


Delta Air Lines pilots reject tentative contract: union | Reuters

Seriously? Our own "Union" is putting out information that is clearly designed to push RA into a credibility corner? These guys need to go. Really, really soon.:eek:
Every one of these MEC admins will work as hard as they can to punish us for this. No question. Exactly why they cannot be allowed back in to negotiate. They're poison.

Carl

texavia 07-10-2015 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926612)
Every one of these MEC admins will work as hard as they can to punish us for this. No question. Exactly why they cannot be allowed back in to negotiate. They're poison.

Carl
RECALL them all - the problem is not the solution, it never is.

Pilotfo64 07-10-2015 06:14 PM
Its time to shoot this lame horse named dalpa. We need a free and indepedent union representing only delta pilots.

Carl Spackler 07-10-2015 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Pilotfo64 (Post 1926679)
Its time to shoot this lame horse named dalpa. We need a free and indepedent union representing only delta pilots.
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl

forgot to bid 07-10-2015 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926689)
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl
I like every bit of that.

Spudhauler 07-10-2015 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926689)
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl

This is excellent. Good points, all.

iFlyer 07-10-2015 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926689)
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl
I don't always agree with Carl - but I would highly support this plan as a rational, realistic and effective road to getting where we need to be - back in the driver's seat.

We need to drive the agenda, put labor back on the table and re-engage with a freshly invigorated crew that is pruned of all the deadwood dragging us down - from DALPA and National. Let's flex some muscle, not confrontationally, but in frank, professional discourse. Let's remind our leadership, and the Company's that we are a professional, dedicated lifetime asset, and expect to be treated as such.

They may be riding in the carriage, but we hold the reigns. ...and if you don't want to end up in the ditch, might I suggest you don't kick the minions.

Doug Masters 07-10-2015 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926689)
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl
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Raging white 07-10-2015 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926689)
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl
Hear hear.

The fact that this is deliberate, measured, and reasonable must drive the Carl-haters crazy.
I'm in.

BobZ 07-10-2015 08:45 PM
Agree with the exception about attempting to withhold funds....instead read....if national alpa DOES ANYTHING LESS than provide MAXIMUM support for the delta pilot group...

GunshipGuy 07-10-2015 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1926689)
DPA didn't have a stronger supporter than me. I think my first card was among the first 20. With that in mind, here's what I think our priorities should be:

1. Recall all YES voting reps...because this current rep assembly will back the current administration to the end.

2. Recall the MEC chairman and most of the entire MEC administration.

3. Re-engage with management per Section 6 of the RLA while running negotiations with professionals who have never had an affiliation with ALPA.

4. If ALPA national DARES to stick its nose in our negotiations or try to threaten us with funds withholding, immediately start the drive to replace ALPA as the bargaining agent.

5. If ALPA backs down, they get to stay on as Delta pilots' agent for world political issues. If they don't back down, they're gone.

This gives us the best of all worlds. We force ALPA to change from within by using the leverage of 12,000 Delta pilots. If they refuse, it will be the arrogant end of a union that lost its way.

Carl
Wholeheartedly agree. I juste renewed my card the day after the TA was voted to go to memrat. I'll write them and have them remove my name if DPA gets close to happening. DPA should stand down while we have this opportunity to make much needed change.


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