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forgot to bid 07-14-2015 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Army80 (Post 1929568)
The booze is only free for the hookers

They'll need it.

forgot to bid 07-14-2015 03:50 PM

So without recalls itll be March at the realist before MD and NC are replaced? If there are recalls then by this fall?

notEnuf 07-14-2015 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1929619)
It's off campus. They will be able to take credit for an "open session," because almost no one will be able to get there.

Cowards.

New Orleans was off campus too, closed due to the sensitive nature of the TA discussions. I wonder how fast they try an end around and get a new TA before the elections and recalls? I'll go to VA just to get the answer.

MtEverest 07-14-2015 04:00 PM

Rumor Alert from FB:

Ok....here's the latest from a rep...after the earnings report tomorrow RA is gonna tell dalpa that sick leave dropped off with the threat of the TA and he wants to improve the TA and offer it up again. Sounds like they will tweak sick leave and add 4-6% more in raises and hope we vote it in. They are gonna pass off the same turd w a bit more cash involved hoping we are dumb enough to pass it this time?

They just don't get that it's not about more money, although it did need more of that. It's about dignity and respect! It's about being treated fairly after all the sacrifices the pilot group gave up during bankruptcy. You can't buy us off. You need to rework the entire TA and take out the concessions, the JV changes, the entire sick leave rewrite, add more to our retirement and make it effective day one, not two years into it!!! If this really happens we need to send it back again with an even bigger margin of NO voters to yes voters.

Don't embarrass your self Alpa and RA. We deserve better. We deserve respect and paybacks for sacrificing so much to keep NWA and Delta going after 911. If RA wants to continue to do business w Alpa instead of DPA he needs to do right by the pilots of delta immediately!!!

Purple Drank 07-14-2015 04:09 PM

I've still got my orange "NO" tags.

Any "TA" with scope concessions and LCA trip pulls can KMA.

If RA can improve his deal once, he can improve it again.

StripAlert 07-14-2015 04:11 PM

Hmm... Wonder what happened to "there will be no better deal?"

Sick leave is a non-starter, unless it's verification for single illness over 15 days or "good faith basis," same as now. No AME on Delta payroll is getting anywhere near my records. I am fine with giving a note to my CP if he requires it (and pays for it).

Go find the abusers and nail their asses to the wall, if you can prove it. Otherwise, fu¢k off and let me do my job, so we can all roll around in the Benjamins.

Oh, and all y'all MD-11's better step down. Don't make me get off this couch and recall your dumb ass. Because I will do it. If I can get a break from all these sweet, sweet green slips. (Remind me again why I want the staffing problem fixed?)

74pilot 07-14-2015 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1929604)
If you want to "burst my bubble," tell me (truthfully) that they're staying in a crew hotel with the airline rate, and that they will not be using our dues money for booze, steak, and/or lobster.

Otherwise, we're done here.

ALPA daily per diem is a set rate, just like at DAL, does it matter what they eat? IF this were DPA, would it be any different, pilots representing pilots and getting reimbursed for meals?

If the MEC has a hospitality suite with excess food and booze and are partying like Jordan Belfort in Wall Street, yes, shut that crap down. Otherwise cover a dude or dudette's meals when they're doing union work, even when you don't agree with them politically. Of course if enough people disagree with how they conduct business there are other ways to handle that :D

I don't think pilots should have to accept hardship conditions to do union work, but for god's sake, be responsible with the dues dollars.

74pilot 07-14-2015 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1929633)
Rumor Alert from FB:

Ok....here's the latest from a rep...after the earnings report tomorrow RA is gonna tell dalpa that sick leave dropped off with the threat of the TA and he wants to improve the TA and offer it up again. Sounds like they will tweak sick leave and add 4-6% more in raises and hope we vote it in. They are gonna pass off the same turd w a bit more cash involved hoping we are dumb enough to pass it this time?

Selling scope to get rid of a sick leave policy that was DOA out of the gate and 4-6% raise. Not my airline, but I know how I'd vote. Cash means nothing if you don't have the career progression to enjoy the full benefit.

74pilot 07-14-2015 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1929619)
It's off campus.


If it's off campus, as in NOT at ALPA HQ where there's dues paid event space 5 minutes away, that's unacceptable. If true, I owe you an apology. I don't think it's a conspiracy, but it's a horribly wasteful use of dues dollars.

Purple Drank 07-14-2015 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by 74pilot (Post 1929664)

I don't think pilots should have to accept hardship conditions to do union work, but for god's sake, be responsible with the dues dollars.

I agree 1000%

They shouldn't spend a dime of out money on booze, golf, etc.


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