CONFIRMED: Sp MEC Meeting Moved To Reston, VA
 

It is confirmed. The special MEC meeting has been moved to Reston, VA. The No voters will do everything in their power to keep the meeting open. If at all possible, we need a strong presence at that meeting.

The details on location will be out shortly.

Where the hell is Reston? and why there?:confused:

This was meant for the Delta TA section, Sorry.

what no voters? what are you talking about

65% of eligible voting Delta pilots:)

WE MUST ACT: By now you have heard that the Special MEC Meeting has been moved to Reston, VA (just outside Herndon). This smacks of ALPA National meddling in our affairs. REMEMBER, we are still at 11-8 on the MEC. They are doing everything they can to thumb their nose at the popular vote. We MUST call our reps and let them know how we expect them to act, that we demand a recall of Donatelli and the Neg Comm, and that we will not tolerate a quick fix to the TA.

The No voters on the MEC, Patroni. The Yes voters will try to conduct this meeting in closed-session. It is unacceptable.

Move to Reston?

They know far fewer members will be there to call for recalls. Another cowardly act in an effort to hang on to power.

Are they afraid of the "small, vocal minority"?

Event date: 7/21/2015 9:00 AM - 7/22/2015 5:00 PM

Special Delta MEC Meeting,
21-22 July, 9AM-5PM daily,
at the Hyatt Regency Reston,
1800 Presidents Street, Reston, VA.

Get those DPA cards sent in please.

LEC meetings are at Crowne Plazas and Holiday Inns

MEC meeting are at Hyatts, Westins, and Loews.

What's wrong with this picture?

We are still paying for hotel rooms and cigars for 15 people who demonstrated their allegiance was not to us?

Booze too?

I hate to burst your conspiracy theory bubble, but the hotel is less than a 5 minute ride to the Herndon, ALPA headquarters which has ample "free" meeting space. If they booked meeting rooms in that hotel when practically in the shadow of a very suitable ALPA owned facility, now that, would be a huge FU to dues dollars.

The booze is only free for the hookers

If you want to "burst my bubble," tell me (truthfully) that they're staying in a crew hotel with the airline rate, and that they will not be using our dues money for booze, steak, and/or lobster.

Otherwise, we're done here.

The real question is: Will it be held mostly in open or closed session?

It's off campus. They will be able to take credit for an "open session," because almost no one will be able to get there.

Cowards.

Q2 report hits the street before the market opens in the morning. GOL, Skymark and a huge profit for the quarter. They should have plenty to talk about. Why did the TA vote fall a couple of days before all these events?

They'll need it.

So without recalls itll be March at the realist before MD and NC are replaced? If there are recalls then by this fall?

New Orleans was off campus too, closed due to the sensitive nature of the TA discussions. I wonder how fast they try an end around and get a new TA before the elections and recalls? I'll go to VA just to get the answer.

Rumor Alert from FB:

Ok....here's the latest from a rep...after the earnings report tomorrow RA is gonna tell dalpa that sick leave dropped off with the threat of the TA and he wants to improve the TA and offer it up again. Sounds like they will tweak sick leave and add 4-6% more in raises and hope we vote it in. They are gonna pass off the same turd w a bit more cash involved hoping we are dumb enough to pass it this time?

They just don't get that it's not about more money, although it did need more of that. It's about dignity and respect! It's about being treated fairly after all the sacrifices the pilot group gave up during bankruptcy. You can't buy us off. You need to rework the entire TA and take out the concessions, the JV changes, the entire sick leave rewrite, add more to our retirement and make it effective day one, not two years into it!!! If this really happens we need to send it back again with an even bigger margin of NO voters to yes voters.

Don't embarrass your self Alpa and RA. We deserve better. We deserve respect and paybacks for sacrificing so much to keep NWA and Delta going after 911. If RA wants to continue to do business w Alpa instead of DPA he needs to do right by the pilots of delta immediately!!!

I've still got my orange "NO" tags.

Any "TA" with scope concessions and LCA trip pulls can KMA.

If RA can improve his deal once, he can improve it again.

Hmm... Wonder what happened to "there will be no better deal?"

Sick leave is a non-starter, unless it's verification for single illness over 15 days or "good faith basis," same as now. No AME on Delta payroll is getting anywhere near my records. I am fine with giving a note to my CP if he requires it (and pays for it).

Go find the abusers and nail their asses to the wall, if you can prove it. Otherwise, fu¢k off and let me do my job, so we can all roll around in the Benjamins.

Oh, and all y'all MD-11's better step down. Don't make me get off this couch and recall your dumb ass. Because I will do it. If I can get a break from all these sweet, sweet green slips. (Remind me again why I want the staffing problem fixed?)

ALPA daily per diem is a set rate, just like at DAL, does it matter what they eat? IF this were DPA, would it be any different, pilots representing pilots and getting reimbursed for meals?

If the MEC has a hospitality suite with excess food and booze and are partying like Jordan Belfort in Wall Street, yes, shut that crap down. Otherwise cover a dude or dudette's meals when they're doing union work, even when you don't agree with them politically. Of course if enough people disagree with how they conduct business there are other ways to handle that :D

I don't think pilots should have to accept hardship conditions to do union work, but for god's sake, be responsible with the dues dollars.

Selling scope to get rid of a sick leave policy that was DOA out of the gate and 4-6% raise. Not my airline, but I know how I'd vote. Cash means nothing if you don't have the career progression to enjoy the full benefit.

If it's off campus, as in NOT at ALPA HQ where there's dues paid event space 5 minutes away, that's unacceptable. If true, I owe you an apology. I don't think it's a conspiracy, but it's a horribly wasteful use of dues dollars.

I agree 1000%

They shouldn't spend a dime of out money on booze, golf, etc.

Pretty sure DPA's bylaws prevent the leadership from using dues money on alcohol. Also, everything's transparent. You can login and see where your dues money is being spent via any computer.

ALPA makes you jump through hoops. (D)ALPA has been caught blowing big wads of cash on high priced hotel, alcohol and restaurants. HUGE amounts of wasted dues dollars. Records only show those they got caught.

This is an interesting read:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1370026

Btw, while looking at some old posts I found this which I thought was interesting:

Ahhh yes sailingfun has been posting untruths and making bets here for a long time. At first his outrage attempts to buoy his argument. Now not so much.

Is anyone going to refute that dues money vis-à-vis FPL has been paid to DALPA salesmen now?

I have a feeling after we take our union back and open up the financials, many people's minds will be blown at how much dues money has been wasted on reps "shooting the $hit".

Agree 1000% +1 - doing union work is righteous, but should never be profitable. I enjoy a good quality of life at brand X, just as you do at DAL, on the backs of those who have served ALPA before. I'm grateful for those who serve, but treat my dues dollars like a personal ATM and I'll be first in line with a pitchfork.

What do you mean by "profitable"? Should ALPA "volunteers" be compensated for their time or should they be altruistic and give that to us?

If elected MEC chairman I will be altruistic but we have to work around my schedule. 7ER FO schedules may be OK now but if I'm forced to work more for the same money or to a higher TLV then I reserve the right to FPL.

What does that mean?

I don't think anyone minds throwing a few bones to the volunteers. Problem is the full time jobs are so lucrative that it has created its own industry. Maybe some people get in ALPA for the wrong reasons (more money, sweet schedule) then they entrench themselves like a South Carolina tick. Reference the sales job known as TA-self-preservation-2015. No other reason for the sales job other than keeping ALPA positions. You can't argue that. And you just can't get them out once they are in. Then maybe you get them out, but then find them in a different appointed position a few years later.

SF, I don't need to call you to show that reference. Are you trying to intimidate with the phone thing? The answer to your question is sited directly above. You posted that circa 2013. I can pull up the original if you like?

Do you stand by your statement that nobody has been paid FPL to post on this board? Let's have an open discussion about this so everybody can understand. Btw, do you live in Charlotte?

It is impossible for me to get the MEC chairman job because I don't really want it. I have volunteered my time to give a voice to those who want change and would do so again if I thought it was a way to help the group. Now it has become a career for the people who are politically connected. It has nothing to do with altruism.

I would give my time as I have on this board unpaid, but on my schedule would be my request. I know, I can make this pledge in a vacuum. The point is, the grass roots have been putting in a lot of time, effort and money to effect change while others are home and on FPL.