Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1932805)

I guess the lustful focus on payrates at the expense of work rules makes sense if you're paid the rates but never work under the rules.

Originally Posted by fartboxflyer (Post 1932332)

This guy is on the 88 no fly list.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1932805)

This. ^^^^^^


I thought that the alpa guys in private would have a lot more substantive arguments for the TA then some of the weaker arguments put forth here prior to the TA, but no.

You bid LCA you're simply abusing the system and it needs to be fixed.

You ever called in sick? Abuser.

You push back against productivity changes that reduce pilots? You're costing the fpl guys money. You're an abuser.

And that's just all from fb. The more I read from fb the more i do believe our guys wrote the language in the TA on sick leave and oe lca and the company just went with it.

I think I read one comment from one of the big alpa guys on chit chat that he wants pilots here to be the most productive they can so we can go beat united or something.

But flight pay loss? Well, that's my right! I don't want to fly the line, the line sucks...

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I guess the lustful focus on payrates at the expense of work rules makes sense if you're paid the rates but never work under the rules.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1932805)

This. ^^^^^^



And that's just all from fb. The more I read from fb the more i do believe our guys wrote the language in the TA on sick leave and oe lca and the company just went with it.


But flight pay loss? Well, that's my right! I don't want to fly the line, the line sucks...

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

Do you really believe the first bit, or are you just trying to throw out red meat to get pats on the back? If you think it's true, put out some proof. If it's you rumor mongering, you do realize that's going to start a feedback loop where within a day it'll be on the FB page quoted as straight from the mouth of Ferris' neighbor's cousin's girlfriend, right?

For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

Do you really believe the first bit, or are you just trying to throw out red meat to get pats on the back? If you think it's true, put out some proof. If it's you rumor mongering, you do realize that's going to start a feedback loop where within a day it'll be on the FB page quoted as straight from the mouth of Ferris' neighbor's cousin's girlfriend, right?

For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1932936)

Welllllllll........actually for some guys not.

I've told this boring story a thousand times to a thousand poor guys:eek: but, you think that cuz your actually a pilot. I was on the staff in the USAF with guys like you and me who counted the days till we went back to line fighter/flying squadrons. However, there were lots and lots of guys who "like working the issues" (quote from a good friend who hit the ATC staff as a captain and retired as an 0-6 on the staff).

I saw these guys as a UPT instructor. They were academy guys who were there cuz their friends were there. They were ROTC guys who were there because their dad's were pilots. Anyway, you get the picture.

That's why I've never bought the DPA thing that it will all change. I predict those office guys will be doing DPA office stuff in 5 years after the name change. The more things change the more they remain the same :o

Ferd

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1932932)

Sounds like an ALPA guy trying to justify his office job to me.

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932959)

Is it possible for folks to cut the "YOU'RE AN ALPA STOOGE!" BS?

I commute and I have a 6 year old for whom I'm a single parent. I've been able to make it to one whole LEC meeting in 7 years. Any inkling of even considering ALPA work in the future was erased when I saw how disrespectful a handful of guys at the meeting were to the reps. I don't have issues w guys voicing their issues/complaints, but this was over the top. And that was the "in public" version of the relationship.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1932965)

Who said anything about being a stooge?

I mean I did recently call someone a stooge, but that wasn't you.

Anyhow, which meeting were you at that the pilots in attendance were so openly rude and disrespectful?

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1932965)

Who said anything about being a stooge?

I mean I did recently call someone a stooge, but that wasn't you.

Anyhow, which meeting were you at that the pilots in attendance were so openly rude and disrespectful?

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932969)

Lol, copy, not a stooge in the eyes of DH at least.

The meeting I made it to was the SLC LEC meeting in early June. It was held not long after the TA was put out, so I'll acknowledge there were more likely to be guys wanting to vent than a standard LEC meeting. We can still be grown ups when we disagree with each other or come across issues that we don't like.

Originally Posted by qball (Post 1933007)

Our MEC Chairman could learn a bit from your post ;)

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1932968)

One of the reasons I stopped coming to this place, is we say we're for open dialog but we're not. If you don't agree with the echo chamber your some sort of ___________ (fill in the blank)

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

Do you really believe the first bit, or are you just trying to throw out red meat to get pats on the back? If you think it's true, put out some proof. If it's you rumor mongering, you do realize that's going to start a feedback loop where within a day it'll be on the FB page quoted as straight from the mouth of Ferris' neighbor's cousin's girlfriend, right?

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1933044)

No proof. Just seems plausible reading their stuff. And I'm not starting it, I'm repeating it from fb and chit chat and using the things I've read from MH and MS and Curly and so on as my guide to say, I actually could find that to be plausible.



What do you get paid on fpl? 92 hours at whatever you can hold? That's no ordinary office job.

The 88 is the 88 especially in the summer and 5 leg days where you never get the cabin temp below 85 much less the cockpit below 90 and every leg is an loe complete with some Mel brain teaser. And then you have a four day and then another four day and then one day off and another four day because no matter what your % in category is, what pbs spits out never meets expectations.

And then imagine a chunk of senior trips being removed before you can bid on them. And you're going to face this month after month after month with no break... I guess i should say I get why fpl is so addictive.

What was that about an office job again?

Originally Posted by qball (Post 1933007)

Our MEC Chairman could learn a bit from your post ;)

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1933047)

Lol, touché.

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932969)

Lol, copy, not a stooge in the eyes of DH at least.

The meeting I made it to was the SLC LEC meeting in early June. It was held not long after the TA was put out, so I'll acknowledge there were more likely to be guys wanting to vent than a standard LEC meeting. We can still be grown ups when we disagree with each other or come across issues that we don't like.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1932968)

I flew with an ex-rep who said he got out because the meetings, both public and closed session, were so nasty. He dreaded going to the meetings so he......stopped going to meetings.

One of the reasons I stopped coming to this place, is we say we're for open dialog but we're not. If you don't agree with the echo chamber your some sort of ___________ (fill in the blank)

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1933062)

Vaginis???

(Not sure if that was rhetorical or not)

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1933050)

I guess whether its the 4th floor, or cpo or alpa, there are just some people who want to escape the line as quickly and as often as possible.

And some people even do all 3. :D

Speaking of which, those freezing cold 717s from airTran even in the summer... yeah evidently that got fixed... how's that ac on the bus? :D :D

Originally Posted by qball (Post 1933066)

Like Ferd pointed out ....there are those who seem to gravitate to the office/training/union gig. There are some guys that have been doing one or more of these almost continuously since I was a new hire. I'm glad there are guys out there that want to do those things because I don't want to do it (been there and just want to be a crew dawg). The problem (speaking from personal experience) is that when you do it too long, you tend to lose touch and perspective with the line. There are some good non line people doing good work out there..but I think our union leadership has lost touch.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1933019)

Yeah, but like me you keep getting sucked back into the vortex don't you?

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1932921)

For the second part- have you ever actually worked an office job? I mean a real no-flying, grind out admin all day office job? It sucks. The line at Delta on it's worst day on the MD-88 doing 5 legs a day into ATL in summer is better than any office gig.

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1933086)

Ain't it da truth....ain't it da truth:o

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1933253)

We complete you.


So just deal with it.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1933342)

You know there is no other group of dumbass morons I would rather hang out with then you guys.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1933352)

If you lost a battle.

Then regrouped, attacked and lost again.

Is that a Pyrrhic victory?

Or a suicide run?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1932460)

Everyone is on Bender's no fly list. I hear he'll only fly with tsquare. :D

Carl

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1933353)

It's every episode of Star Trek.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1933344)

I can't read a checklist.

I'm voting yes.

When does the vote open?

Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1931754)

Intentionally trying to get your brother pilots fired or disciplined, or encouraging others to do so is not really high in the "class" department. I think the guy has made really dumb statements in this case and in the past, but this stuff is WAY over the line (yes, he is also off the reservation, but he's not trying to cost anyone their job). It is, however, not terribly far off the mark from the type of stuff we've seen from DPA and Caplinger in the past. It's the exact kind of stuff that lost them a great deal of followers in the not so distant past.

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1933580)

What? We have to be able to read checklists now?

Damn.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1933495)

Mmm, every episode of Star Trek goes like this: "Whatever we don't, let's not violate the Prime Directive and interfere with developing cultures we are sent to observe -- wait, Kirk wants to shag an alien, okay ... we'll interfere this just one time .."