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forgot to bid 09-15-2015 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1971579)
Trump may be ahead in the polls now but, by the time it gets down to 2 Republican candidates, he will lose. The party faithful will gravitate to Bush or whomever is the other mainstream Republican candidate.

You may be right about Biden............Heaven forbid!

Denny

Jeb!! Bush is still running? That's what he's doing? :p


Now speaking of politics, see if this sounds like what is going on with DALPA right now:


David Brooks: It's like a mutiny, not a campaign. And the problem is that there's an illusion in this country and in the Republican Party base that you can govern by screaming. But there's a democracy! You need a coalition. We have a very tough legislative system and you gotta actually have craftsmen, and there's insufficient respect for that right now among Carson and Trump supporters.
Now change the names.


ALPA Chit Chat Folks: It's like a mutiny, not a campaign. And the problem is that there's an illusion in this pilot group that you can govern by screaming*. But there's a democracy! You need a coalition. We have a very tough system and you gotta actually have craftsmen, and there's insufficient respect for that right now among DPA or Malone supporters... and C20 pilots**.
The complaint is that the antiestablishmentarians do nof respect the MEC Craftsman.

So the parallels are there, but who is The Trump? :D

*irony not withstanding
**read Tim Parkers C44 email yesterday

Mesabah 09-15-2015 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1971617)



The complaint is that the antiestablishmentarians do nof respect the MEC Craftsman.

So the parallels are there, but who is The Trump? :D

The ones who have been Antidisestablishmentarianistically named, dumbass rocket surgeon; So Carl.

Longest word in English ftw.

notEnuf 09-15-2015 10:10 AM

Fitch upgraded Delta credit. All the major ratings agencies now have DAL just one level below investment grade. Investment grade is achievable and probable by at least one agency in 2016. In their report they already account for moderate pilot cost increases in 2016 - 2017.

The three major credit rating agencies for commercial paper are S&P, Moody's, and Fitch similar to the consumer credit ratings of TU, Experian and Equifax. Now that all three are in agreement and have positive outlooks, the stage is set for one of them (probably Moody's) to upgrade Delta to investment grade. This is a substantial achievement 7 years out of bankruptcy. This also shows sustainability. Unlike stock ratings, debt ratings are a more conservative and business focused evaluation. Stock recommendations can be based on fundamentals of the company but also industry trends, momentum, cyclicality, and the opinion of the analyst.

Delta is very well positioned financially and improving. Affordability of pay restoration is well within their ability while keeping the pilots PS. (pension substitute) Profit sharing reductions will only offset our ability to benefit from ancillary revenue generated by outside investments and outscoring. The next step in building a global industrial transportation company is to take significant positions in markets outside the U.S. This is most likely done through JV and equity stakes in airlines around the world which is already happening. The investment grade rating gives Delta the access to capital it needs to continue the expansion.
https://www.fitchratings.com/site/fi...ease?id=990795

notEnuf 09-20-2015 03:25 PM

Delta just completed their purchase of Gol and China Eastern shares.

The 3.55% of China eastern is actually 10% of the H shares. H shares are the shares traded on the Hong Kong exchange, only H shares can be purchased by non Chinese entities. This means if Delta bought all the H shares they would own 35.5% of China Eastern. This is unlikely but other U.S. carriers will follow suit to lock up a Chinese partner. Quantas is already trying to buy shares of China Eastern.

Delta now owns 16.2% of Gol preferred stock. JV partner Air France-KLM has made a similar investment in Gold. Current stock price is $1.13 and could be an opportunity to buy more.

Aeromexico ownership is rumored to be about 20% through derivatives.

cni187 09-22-2015 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 1975577)
Delta just completed their purchase of Gol and China Eastern shares.

The 3.55% of China eastern is actually 10% of the H shares. H shares are the shares traded on the Hong Kong exchange, only H shares can be purchased by non Chinese entities. This means if Delta bought all the H shares they would own 35.5% of China Eastern. This is unlikely but other U.S. carriers will follow suit to lock up a Chinese partner. Quantas is already trying to buy shares of China Eastern.

Delta now owns 16.2% of Gol preferred stock. JV partner Air France-KLM has made a similar investment in Gold. Current stock price is $1.13 and could be an opportunity to buy more.

Aeromexico ownership is rumored to be about 20% through derivatives.

You are witnessing the beginnings of Skyteam airlines

scambo1 09-22-2015 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1976511)
You are witnessing the beginnings of Skyteam airlines

I think that began with the AF/KLM JV. Now we are being introduced to our future "co-workers."


Of course DALPA/ALPA thinks this is good for you and me...so long as they aren't based in a predominantly Muslim country.

#Whatareyouwillingtogiveupforthat

Mesabah 09-22-2015 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1976511)
You are witnessing the beginnings of Skyteam airlines

Why do you think they wanted permission to paint the Delta livery on foreign planes?

Purple Drank 09-22-2015 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1976855)
Why do you think they wanted permission to paint the Delta livery on foreign planes?

Yep. And they only would have a had to bribe one guy of questionable judgment to get it.

That fact didn't make it into the roadshows or lounge visits.

RockyMtMadDog 09-22-2015 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1976855)
Why do you think they wanted permission to paint the Delta livery on foreign planes?

Right now, they don't need permission.

sailingfun 09-22-2015 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1976855)
Why do you think they wanted permission to paint the Delta livery on foreign planes?

They don't need it now. They can paint away. We wanted to write approval into the contract. Compromise was MEC chairman approval.


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