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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1976936)

They don't need it now. They can paint away. We wanted to write approval into the contract. Compromise was MEC chairman approval.

So at least we had the Patriot MD11 watching our best interests..
That would have been sooooo comforting!?!?!????

We have been making fun of Skyteam by Delta for a long time. The language should have been in there a long time ago and it should never have had such watered down language as to allow a Moakie to permit it on his own. That's memrat territory if you ask me.

From 2011:

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 951339)

You mean, "Good evening ladies and gentleman from the flight deck on behalf of First Officer ACL65pilot and myself Captain Buzzpat, I'd like to welcome you aboard Skyteam by Delta Air Lines, today we're flying a Boeing 757..."

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/...789d066064.jpg

Followed by:

"Bonsoir mesdames et messieurs du poste de pilotage pour le compte du premier officier Frenchie et moi-même le capitaine de Grenouille, je vous souhaite la bienvenue à bord de Skyteam par Air France, aujourd'hui, nous sommes aux commandes d'un Boeing 777..."

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1976936)

They don't need it now. They can paint away. We wanted to write approval into the contract. Compromise was MEC chairman approval.

That was a big compromise that made the change worthless.

FTB, stop speaking French, you're making me hard!

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1976982)

FTB, stop speaking French, you're making me hard!

Sacrebleu.

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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog (Post 1976928)

Right now, they don't need permission.

Yes they do. They cannot do this under our current Section 1. That's why they wanted the failed TA to specifically allow it.

Carl

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1976936)

They don't need it now. They can paint away. We wanted to write approval into the contract. Compromise was MEC chairman approval.

See above. You're wrong.

Carl

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1976936)

They don't need it now. They can paint away. We wanted to write approval into the contract. Compromise was MEC chairman approval.

What about section 1.C.2.d?

All flying performed by or for the Company or any Company affiliate will be performed by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA. Section 1 C. 1. includes without limitation all passenger flying, cargo flying, freight flying, positioning flights, and ferry flights (scheduled and non-scheduled, revenue and non-revenue) and non-scheduled flights as defined in Section 2 of this PWA:
d. performed by any air carrier under or utilizing a designator code, trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Company affiliate, or performed on aircraft on which the Company or any Company affiliate has purchased or reserved blocked space or blocked seats for sale or resale to customers of the Company or any Company affiliate

Denny

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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog (Post 1976928)

Right now, they don't need permission.

Yes, and no, they don't need permission via the contract, however, labor law prevents it, unless they have specific permission in section 1. You have to look at section 1 as, "all flying is covered by dalpa pilots except _____". Section 1 doesn't read, "all flying is permitted except these aircraft will be flown by dalpa pilots". Unless you work for Alaska Airlines, who has the worst scope contract in history.