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Scoop 02-08-2016 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 2064582)
Wasn't he the "one place, right place" guy?


If by one place he meant "all over," he nailed it!

Scoop :)

OldFlyGuy 02-08-2016 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2064834)
If by one place he meant "all over," he nailed it!

Scoop :)

Frankly, they've changed so many things. First "adopt and go." Which was ... expedient but confused lots of people. Then tried to pick the better way of the old DL and NW procedures... which confused people again. Then changed which manuals things were in... repeatedly... which meant no one knew where anything was located. Then created and but now are deleting "supplemental" stuff... which never made much sense. Tried to make callouts the same on airbus and boeing and MD products... just for fun. Then gave us an EFB that couldn't search across manuals and in my experience couldn't find anything period. Now thank goodness we are gonna get a new EFB later this fall. At least no one will be confused as we will all soon be repeating everything we do in the cockpit over and over and over... while monitoring 2 UHF radios... and the interphone... and etc. Maybe the Safety System mechanisms at DL should look at our 4th floor for inducing errors and confusion! OFG

MD88Driver 02-08-2016 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2064475)
I believe this was Crew Resources third article on SL. Someone is directing them to write it. That someone is negotiating, albeit directly to us. It's a good sign. They want a contract and anticipate they can sway a few votes.

That's a positive way to look at it, Hank! Makes up for my ticked off feeling reading those inaccurate summaries each month.

Army80 02-08-2016 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 2064879)
Frankly, they've changed so many things. First "adopt and go." Which was ... expedient but confused lots of people. Then tried to pick the better way of the old DL and NW procedures... which confused people again. Then changed which manuals things were in... repeatedly... which meant no one knew where anything was located. Then created and but now are deleting "supplemental" stuff... which never made much sense. Tried to make callouts the same on airbus and boeing and MD products... just for fun. Then gave us an EFB that couldn't search across manuals and in my experience couldn't find anything period. Now thank goodness we are gonna get a new EFB later this fall. At least no one will be confused as we will all soon be repeating everything we do in the cockpit over and over and over... while monitoring 2 UHF radios... and the interphone... and etc. Maybe the Safety System mechanisms at DL should look at our 4th floor for inducing errors and confusion! OFG


I'd be happy if they would just use some common sense in naming the manuals.

Would it be all that crazy to call the stuff that has to do with the airplane, "The Airplane Manual" and the generic stuff that has to do with the company, "The Company Manual".

Calling a book "Volume One" is like so intuitive.......

OldFlyGuy 02-08-2016 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Army80 (Post 2064950)
I'd be happy if they would just use some common sense in naming the manuals.

Would it be all that crazy to call the stuff that has to do with the airplane, "The Airplane Manual" and the generic stuff that has to do with the company, "The Company Manual".

Calling a book "Volume One" is like so intuitive.......

Army, that is just crazy talk. OFG

scambo1 02-08-2016 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2064834)
If by one place he meant "all over," he nailed it!

Scoop :)

Here's the kicker for me. I've been using the books-airway manual and FOM, internationally, for years. You actually have to get into them most flights, to a degree.

If a new guy with no intl experience shows up, he goes thru the TOE but that's a blur. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. I know where to look but the bookmarks selectively disappear with each update...I still know where to go. I don't know how new guys do it.

The surface 3 pro can't get here fast enough. The current thing just aggravates me.

scambo1 02-08-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 2064879)
Frankly, they've changed so many things. First "adopt and go." Which was ... expedient but confused lots of people. Then tried to pick the better way of the old DL and NW procedures... which confused people again. Then changed which manuals things were in... repeatedly... which meant no one knew where anything was located. Then created and but now are deleting "supplemental" stuff... which never made much sense. Tried to make callouts the same on airbus and boeing and MD products... just for fun. Then gave us an EFB that couldn't search across manuals and in my experience couldn't find anything period. Now thank goodness we are gonna get a new EFB later this fall. At least no one will be confused as we will all soon be repeating everything we do in the cockpit over and over and over... while monitoring 2 UHF radios... and the interphone... and etc. Maybe the Safety System mechanisms at DL should look at our 4th floor for inducing errors and confusion! OFG

If that isn't a perfect summation, I don't know what is.

capncrunch 02-08-2016 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2064774)
Crafted by our strategic planning committee for our benefit. ****?

That's the crazy part...who's strategy were they planning? Certainly not the Pilots.

Army80 02-08-2016 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 2064969)
Army, that is just crazy talk. OFG


I'm going to visit the "tinkle in the cup lady" and put myself on report.

ExAF 02-10-2016 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 2064879)
Frankly, they've changed so many things. First "adopt and go." Which was ... expedient but confused lots of people. Then tried to pick the better way of the old DL and NW procedures... which confused people again. Then changed which manuals things were in... repeatedly... which meant no one knew where anything was located. Then created and but now are deleting "supplemental" stuff... which never made much sense. Tried to make callouts the same on airbus and boeing and MD products... just for fun. Then gave us an EFB that couldn't search across manuals and in my experience couldn't find anything period. Now thank goodness we are gonna get a new EFB later this fall. At least no one will be confused as we will all soon be repeating everything we do in the cockpit over and over and over... while monitoring 2 UHF radios... and the interphone... and etc. Maybe the Safety System mechanisms at DL should look at our 4th floor for inducing errors and confusion! OFG

You nailed it!


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