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Purple Drank 12-08-2015 12:29 PM

It is incredibly degrading to ask a doctor for a sick note. But I think that's the point. It's psychological warfare.

On the one hand, Dickson blabs about our professionalism and contributions. On the other hand, he puts out memos and institutes policies that demean and humiliate us.

Just another kook-aid drinking, money grubbing, dime-a-dozen airline exec paid mostly in stock.

We need "no questions asked" sick provisions in our next TA.

Turbo1 12-08-2015 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 2023784)
It is incredibly degrading to ask a doctor for a sick note. But I think that's the point. It's psychological warfare.

On the one hand, Dickson blabs about our professionalism and contributions. On the other hand, he puts out memos and institutes policies that demean and humiliate us.

Just another kook-aid drinking, money grubbing, dime-a-dozen airline exec paid mostly in stock.

We need "no questions asked" sick provisions in our next TA.

Agreed 100%........Better get dalpa on that........OH, I forgot.......they have their own agenda and that does not include listening to us.........

Laserowner 12-08-2015 03:03 PM

They are quick to tell us sick leave COSTS them $48 million annually. How about telling us how much they SAVE by all the contractually guaranteed sick time we are leaving on the table?

Furthermore, what percentage of that $48 million is from that elusive "abuse"? None, as far as I can tell, because no one has been fired or disciplined for said "abuse".....

Timbo 12-08-2015 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Laserowner (Post 2023930)
They are quick to tell us sick leave COSTS them $48 million annually. How about telling us how much they SAVE by all the contractually guaranteed sick time we are leaving on the table?

Furthermore, what percentage of that $48 million is from that elusive "abuse"? None, as far as I can tell, because no one has been fired or disciplined for said "abuse".....

That's a GREAT idea!

In response to all this 'sick leave abuse' nonsense, DALPA should run the 'cost' numbers, if every pilot were to use every minute of sick leave available per our contract, every year, and then run the numbers on what the pilot group actually uses.

Take the difference and throw it in the company's face, tell them;

"Look, the Pilot Group is SAVING YOU $XX MILLION every year in Unused Sick Leave! You can either add that value to our next TA, or you can write each pilot a check each June 1, for his unused sick leave,

OR...you can Shut The Phuck UP about this 'sick leave abuse' nonsesnse!

It DOESN'T EXIST!"

Hank Kingsley 12-08-2015 03:22 PM

Does anyone remember the sick leave harassment program several years ago? CPO calling guys in.

Purple Drank 12-08-2015 03:41 PM

I bet flight ops has an internal goal of limiting sick leave to less than 40 hours per pilot per year.

The certainly don't budget for anywhere near 100 hours.

newKnow 12-08-2015 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 2023618)
Just received from DALPA:




December 8, 2015

Sick Leave Trend Analysis


Yesterday Flight Operations released an update with a Sick Leave Trend Analysis depicting past pilot sick leave usage which highlighted utilization during holiday periods. We recognize the Company’s right to communicate to its employees regarding operational topics and concerns. However, it is important to remember that it is our Pilot Working Agreement that governs our Sick Leave benefit. ALPA remains steadfastly committed to enforcing the provisions in the PWA. Please reference Section 14 of the PWA for contractual guidance on Sick Leave.

The safety of your passengers and your crew depends upon your fitness to fly and the FARs clearly state that the wellbeing of the pilot is a primary consideration for safety of flight. A pilot should never fly when sick nor should a pilot call in sick when well.

As always, fly safe.

I'm glad they responded like this. It's a good sign.

newKnow 12-08-2015 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 2023784)

We need "no questions asked" sick provisions in our next TA.


Originally Posted by Turbo1 (Post 2023911)
Agreed 100%........Better get dalpa on that........OH, I forgot.......they have their own agenda and that does not include listening to us.........


Bingo. Unfortunately, that survey didn't really ask what we didn't want, so I'm not sure they know.


We need to tell them.

Turbo1 12-08-2015 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2024031)
I'm glad they responded like this. It's a good sign.

Frankly I'm shocked that alpa said anything. Now how about backing that up with restorative action about the current draconian requirements. It sometimes takes an act of congress just to get an appt with a doctor to absolve myself about a condition which is weeks passed. ***?

Airbum 12-08-2015 10:07 PM

I'm not a Delta pilot but it seems either Delta provided a healthier work enviroment in the past and the last decade of changes is causing the workers to wear down. The FAA has come out with new guidance on self assessment for aircrew concerning fatigue and readiness to operate aircraft and aircrew are required by regulation to follow them.

The new increased sick usage will soon be the new normal sick leave usage. It appears that not calling in sick in the past means that a sickness in the future will be considered abuse.


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