Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2054282)

OK - I get what you were saying with the 3.74 - you were comparing us to UAL. We were talking past each other as my point was strictly related to the potential astronomical PS payout we could be getting next year and had nothing to do with UAL.

Time will tell - I am fine with the company dragging it out.



Scoop

Originally Posted by Maddogflier (Post 2054297)

I was comparing the difference between what the company agreed to in the first TA verses our current profit sharing. It's only about 80 million a year currently. If we can keep the current profit sharing and see raises similar to the non contracts then it would go back up to around 120 million.

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2054313)

There's not "if", UAL kept theirs. The writing is on the wall if the company wants to take labor risk off the table.

Pay raises and no concessions. I'm and old guy, last contract I hope. If you young guys give them anything, that's on you. I'm a firm no voter if concessions are in the TA.

Originally Posted by Maddogflier (Post 2053984)

So give me a honest opinion. SD stated in the road shows that the contract was not going to be a priority and they would not make the resources available for a quick agreement. He stated we would return to traditional bargining. Several statements in publications from the company reiterated those statements. In addition reaching a agreement in 2016 is not one of flight ops stated goals. They have always put that in when we are in negotiations.
When the company received our new opener they said we are very far apart and left without asking one question. Something that has never happened before. They then stated they would get back to us in January. They are doing that on the very last business day of the month almost 6 weeks later. It appears they plan on sending the second and third team to the meetings with no real decision makers. Does it seem like they are in a hurry?
I stand by the statement that pilots need to understand the contract is expired or amendable your choice. The union needs to think outside the box to find a legal method to bring the company to the table with the intent to reach a agreement.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2054241)

Standard company line of BS. SD knows 12,000 backpacks hit the floor if the company doesn't act in good faith.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 2054357)

We understand that our contract is past the amendable date.
We also understand that its not entirely management's fault.

We had some business to attend to within our union. We had to remove all the guys who are intimidated by every utterance coming from SD at some roadshow.

I think we will know a lot more after the January 29th meeting.
If management's decision is to stall then I think you'll see this pilot group react very quickly. There are plenty of legal methods available to us if we want to express our displeasure.

Originally Posted by Maddogflier (Post 2054394)

I sincerely hope your right.

Originally Posted by Maddogflier (Post 2054394)

I sincerely hope your right.

Originally Posted by Maddogflier (Post 2054347)

I suspect it would be easy to get management to agree to UAL's profit sharing if we want to go that route.

Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 2054171)

Just thought this would be helpful here. Note that the UAL Profit Sharing is really similar to the Delta Profit sharing as has been mentioned because the 6.9% clause equates to approximatelly 2.7 billion dollars where the DAL clause is a straight $2.5 billion. The large difference in PS checks has been the fact that UAL is not as profitable as DAL. Also it is correct that many of our reserves go months without being used, but we can have our days of "rolled". Am I correct in understanding that DAL pilots on reserve can not have there days "rolled" without their consent?