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Check Essential 03-15-2016 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2089308)
... Also, there was mention he supported TA2015 partially because our operating margins were deteriorating. I'm curious where this information came from as the message to Wall Street is margins keep improving--significantly. It was not time to cave on profit sharing.

That whole "sign it fast because the sky is falling" schtick was coming from our former "Strategic Planning" guys.
Management whispered it in their ear. That's all it took. They bought it.

I hope we never fall for that type of manipulation again.
That's why I've always been skeptical of the NDAs that all the ALPA guys sign.

I'm cautiously optimistic that our new guys won't fall into the Moakist mindset of thinking they are some kind of "junior executive" types just because Richard and Ed come to the meetings and pretend to share some top secret intel.
Its all done for a purpose. Its my belief that they never tell our union guys anything of significance in closed sessions that they wouldn't tell them anyway.

The non-disclosure agreements are just a way to make our union guys feel like they are part of some corporate inner circle and therefore responsible for helping management achieve their cost control goals.

Schwanker 03-15-2016 08:21 AM

Check, my feelings precisely.

scambo1 03-15-2016 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 2089326)
That whole "sign it fast because the sky is falling" schtick was coming from our former "Strategic Planning" guys.
Management whispered it in their ear. That's all it took. They bought it.

I hope we never fall for that type of manipulation again.
That's why I've always been skeptical of the NDAs that all the ALPA guys sign.

I'm cautiously optimistic that our new guys won't fall into the Moakist mindset of thinking they are some kind of "junior executive" types just because Richard and Ed come to the meetings and pretend to share some top secret intel.
Its all done for a purpose. Its my belief that they never tell our union guys anything of significance in closed sessions that they wouldn't tell them anyway.

The non-disclosure agreements are just a way to make our union guys feel like they are part of some corporate inner circle and therefore responsible for helping management achieve their cost control goals.

Before becoming a US representative to a foreign government, I was put thru extensive training by our government. One of the key items taught was:

"You are not being treated the way you are treated because of who you are. But, instead because of the position you hold."

When I left the position, shock! All the invitations dried up.

Another thing taught was how to deal with the press.

And another...the three things that will get you into irrecoverable trouble are booze, broads, and bucks.

DALPA should spend time teaching these important lessons to reps at all levels. Not just a seminar.

scambo1 03-15-2016 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 2089222)
God you are a pain. I have yet to read a positive post from you since you have been on this forum. He is willing to get on here and explain himself outright. No negativity like the other guys, willing to take calls and explain his position. I give him credit for all of that. I bet he would have no problem doing the same in person. Call him, I dare you!

Are going to stop being a jerk? I'm going to keep asking you until you answer...when will you find something productive to say? All you seem to be able to do is criticize or come up with negative comments. Frankly, you serve no purpose.


Sorry everyone, just couldn't take it any more...

I think he serves a valuable purpose and I look forward to his posts.

formerdal 03-15-2016 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2089664)
I think he serves a valuable purpose and I look forward to his posts.

I am just tired of all his negativity...

scambo1 03-15-2016 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 2089683)
I am just tired of all his negativity...

Think of it as critically thought out harshness.

ImTumbleweed 03-15-2016 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 2089683)
I am just tired of all his negativity...

Drank serves a purpose.

Drank posts what people are thinking...but are too polite to post. He just dives in a "goes there".

Like him, hate him...he serves a purpose as these negotiations go on.

Justdoinmyjob 03-16-2016 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 2089754)
Drank serves a purpose.

Drank posts what people are thinking...but are too polite to post. He just dives in a "goes there".

Like him, hate him...he serves a purpose as these negotiations go on.

Just like Trump, yet he's still an orange headed Oompa Loompa azzhat!

scambo1 03-16-2016 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 2089826)
Just like Trump, yet he's still an orange headed Oompa Loompa azzhat!

I'm not sure if that's a personal attack or actually what that was. I'll take that as an endorsement.;)

CheapTrick 03-16-2016 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 2089826)
Just like Trump, yet he's still an orange headed Oompa Loompa azzhat!

Oompas are cool.


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