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Let The Informational Picketing Begin
Today's Deltanet violation of status quo by managment is about as insulting as it gets.
It makes it crystal clear management has zero respect for the Delta pilots. Management is locked in to the past attempting to gain a zero sum agreement. Their actions today must be met with the commencement of informational picketing. Every one of us needs to call and write our reps and send this message. Are you doing your part? Take 10 minutes to make a difference. Talk to your fellow pilots and ask them to do the same. __________________ Jerry Fielding |
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Originally Posted by GangtaMoose
(Post 2113750)
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Adding a negotiations update tab on DLnet is not a violation of status quo... I hope that's not what you're getting at.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 2113763)
Adding a negotiations update tab on DLnet is not a violation of status quo... I hope that's not what you're getting at.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 2113763)
Adding a negotiations update tab on DLnet is not a violation of status quo... I hope that's not what you're getting at.
I'm sure you are right and I am wrong. The point is we need to start picketing. Their words on that update were a kindergarten attempt to lower expectations and manipulate the process. Yet again they are after concessions to force us to fix problems they alone created. Our execs make tens of millions to run the air line. We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes. They need to hire more pilots. Buy more simulators and train more instructors. The concessions atm is closed. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2113916)
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We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes. |
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 2113976)
This message should be repeated loud and clear at every opportunity. Concessions in work rules are an attempt by management to cover for their own incompetence.
This is not out problem to solve. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2113916)
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I'm sure you are right and I am wrong. The point is we need to start picketing. Their words on that update were a kindergarten attempt to lower expectations and manipulate the process. Yet again they are after concessions to force us to fix problems they alone created. Our execs make tens of millions to run the air line. We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes. They need to hire more pilots. Buy more simulators and train more instructors. The concessions atm is closed. Ignore that update. Drink coffee. Go for a walk. Don't click on it again. Malone will keep us informed. And yes, count me in for picketing. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2113916)
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I'm sure you are right and I am wrong. The point is we need to start picketing. Their words on that update were a kindergarten attempt to lower expectations and manipulate the process. Yet again they are after concessions to force us to fix problems they alone created. Our execs make tens of millions to run the air line. We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes. They need to hire more pilots. Buy more simulators and train more instructors. The concessions atm is closed. Making such claims cheapens your message. Clean up your shooting and you will get more respect. Btw- that negotiations page has been on DLnet for months... it was just off to the side. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 2114107)
Making such claims cheapens your message. Clean up your shooting and you will get more respect.
Btw- that negotiations page has been on DLnet for months... it was just off to the side. Management has crossed the line. Enough is enough. Time to picket. No TA by June 1st, time for a new survey and an increased position. |
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?
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Originally Posted by rbigred300
(Post 2114982)
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?
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We don't "need" a NEW contract, we "need" a BETTER contract. Our current contract has mechanisms for improvement without concessions. There is no time line for the process but as management continues to drag out the bankruptcy era concessions posting ever increasing record profits, there will be consequences.
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Originally Posted by rbigred300
(Post 2114982)
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?
Our 2000 contract took 18 months, a 96% Yes strike vote, mediation and lots of ground work in the way of informational picketing, TV media and articles in the newspaper, etc. I expect this one will take just as long, perhaps longer, ball's in Management's court right now, they can restore our concessions or they can suffer the consequences. I hear the first round of informational picketing will be in NYC at the BOD meeting on June 10. Be sure to bid around it. Time to shine a light on Ed's new Condo purchases that WE paid for, and show exactly how many Billions this pilot group has already contributed to Save Delta. |
Originally Posted by rbigred300
(Post 2114982)
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 2115154)
In the past 30 years at Delta, most contract negotiations lasted at least 18 months. Some were settled while in mediation, just like this one will be. The company won't get serious about giving up gains to the pilot group until it costs them more money not to. These last few, quick, Proactive Appeasement contracts are something new, but so is self funding our own pay raises after being decimated in bankruptcy.
Our 2000 contract took 18 months, a 96% Yes strike vote, mediation and lots of ground work in the way of informational picketing, TV media and articles in the newspaper, etc. I expect this one will take just as long, perhaps longer, ball's in Management's court right now, they can restore our concessions or they can suffer the consequences. I hear the first round of informational picketing will be in NYC at the BOD meeting on June 10. Be sure to bid around it. Time to shine a light on Ed's new Condo purchases that WE paid for, and show exactly how many Billions this pilot group has already contributed to Save Delta. |
Originally Posted by WhatNow
(Post 2115168)
There is really only one similar situation to compare our negotiations with in the last 20 years. Given the depth of the differences in table positions I would plan several years. Don't start spending your raise yet.
Multimillionaire Doug Parker has an ego that is in league with the Donald. Parker made it clear there would never be profit sharing at American. His job was quickly in jeopardy and he made the good choices his mommy taught him to growing up. He was within months of being replaced. Doug chose to add profit sharing. He chose wisely. And United? You can see big money will not tolerate incompetence. CEOs are a dime a dozen. Last months unemployment claims were the lowest in 42 years. Labor is gaining strength in America each and every day. Going to war with the Delta pilots will end Ed's short tenure faster than Moak can turn his back on us. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 2115183)
I'm surprised ED didn't use Earth day and his new Tesla to buy himself some good press.
Just one more thing WE paid for with our lost retirement plan and ongoing pay cuts, in addition to his $7Million condo.:rolleyes: This contract could be Ed's "So Be It" moment. He can play hardball and suffer the scheduling melt down that will result, or he can come to his senses and restore our -no longer needed- concessions. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 2115237)
Did he really buy a Tesla? What a tool.
Just one more thing WE paid for with our lost retirement plan and ongoing pay cuts, in addition to his $7Million condo.:rolleyes: This contract could be Ed's "So Be It" moment. He can play hardball and suffer the scheduling melt down that will result, or he can come to his senses and restore our -no longer needed- concessions. |
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