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gzsg 04-20-2016 04:50 PM

Let The Informational Picketing Begin
 
Today's Deltanet violation of status quo by managment is about as insulting as it gets.



It makes it crystal clear management has zero respect for the Delta pilots.



Management is locked in to the past attempting to gain a zero sum agreement.



Their actions today must be met with the commencement of informational picketing.



Every one of us needs to call and write our reps and send this message.



Are you doing your part?



Take 10 minutes to make a difference.



Talk to your fellow pilots and ask them to do the same.
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Jerry Fielding

GangtaMoose 04-20-2016 05:51 PM

what happened?

forgot to bid 04-20-2016 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by GangtaMoose (Post 2113750)
what happened?

What did happen? My butt was in an airplane all day, 30 minutes of it waiting for the FAs to let me go to the bathroom after calling them asking if I could go to the bathroom.

80ktsClamp 04-20-2016 06:16 PM

Adding a negotiations update tab on DLnet is not a violation of status quo... I hope that's not what you're getting at.

Justdoinmyjob 04-20-2016 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2113763)
Adding a negotiations update tab on DLnet is not a violation of status quo... I hope that's not what you're getting at.

That's exactly what he's getting at.

gzsg 04-21-2016 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2113763)
Adding a negotiations update tab on DLnet is not a violation of status quo... I hope that's not what you're getting at.

80

I'm sure you are right and I am wrong.

The point is we need to start picketing. Their words on that update were a kindergarten attempt to lower expectations and manipulate the process.

Yet again they are after concessions to force us to fix problems they alone created.

Our execs make tens of millions to run the air line. We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes.

They need to hire more pilots. Buy more simulators and train more instructors.

The concessions atm is closed.

Gunfighter 04-21-2016 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2113916)
80
We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes.

This message should be repeated loud and clear at every opportunity. Concessions in work rules are an attempt by management to cover for their own incompetence.

gzsg 04-21-2016 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2113976)
This message should be repeated loud and clear at every opportunity. Concessions in work rules are an attempt by management to cover for their own incompetence.

Not only did we warn management over and over to hire sooner, Steve Dickson and other managers were warning our execs as well.

This is not out problem to solve.

Doug Masters 04-21-2016 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2113916)
80

I'm sure you are right and I am wrong.

The point is we need to start picketing. Their words on that update were a kindergarten attempt to lower expectations and manipulate the process.

Yet again they are after concessions to force us to fix problems they alone created.

Our execs make tens of millions to run the air line. We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes.

They need to hire more pilots. Buy more simulators and train more instructors.

The concessions atm is closed.


Ignore that update. Drink coffee. Go for a walk. Don't click on it again. Malone will keep us informed. And yes, count me in for picketing.

80ktsClamp 04-21-2016 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2113916)
80

I'm sure you are right and I am wrong.

The point is we need to start picketing. Their words on that update were a kindergarten attempt to lower expectations and manipulate the process.

Yet again they are after concessions to force us to fix problems they alone created.

Our execs make tens of millions to run the air line. We don't ask Ed to fly our planes and he needs to stop asking us to cover his mistakes.

They need to hire more pilots. Buy more simulators and train more instructors.

The concessions atm is closed.


Making such claims cheapens your message. Clean up your shooting and you will get more respect.

Btw- that negotiations page has been on DLnet for months... it was just off to the side.

gzsg 04-21-2016 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2114107)
Making such claims cheapens your message. Clean up your shooting and you will get more respect.

Btw- that negotiations page has been on DLnet for months... it was just off to the side.

I'm fine with my message. Just my opinion.

Management has crossed the line. Enough is enough. Time to picket.

No TA by June 1st, time for a new survey and an increased position.

rbigred300 04-22-2016 03:52 PM

Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?

hockeypilot44 04-22-2016 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by rbigred300 (Post 2114982)
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?

No one knows. Eventually pilots will get fed up and stop helping out. When that happens, operation will melt down. They need all hands on deck as retirements pick up. Time is on our side. The company just doesn't want to believe it....yet. We have the most leverage we have ever had and we know it. For some reason the company is still in denial.

notEnuf 04-22-2016 04:58 PM

We don't "need" a NEW contract, we "need" a BETTER contract. Our current contract has mechanisms for improvement without concessions. There is no time line for the process but as management continues to drag out the bankruptcy era concessions posting ever increasing record profits, there will be consequences.

Timbo 04-23-2016 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by rbigred300 (Post 2114982)
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?

In the past 30 years at Delta, most contract negotiations lasted at least 18 months. Some were settled while in mediation, just like this one will be. The company won't get serious about giving up gains to the pilot group until it costs them more money not to. These last few, quick, Proactive Appeasement contracts are something new, but so is self funding our own pay raises after being decimated in bankruptcy.

Our 2000 contract took 18 months, a 96% Yes strike vote, mediation and lots of ground work in the way of informational picketing, TV media and articles in the newspaper, etc. I expect this one will take just as long, perhaps longer, ball's in Management's court right now, they can restore our concessions or they can suffer the consequences.

I hear the first round of informational picketing will be in NYC at the BOD meeting on June 10. Be sure to bid around it. Time to shine a light on Ed's new Condo purchases that WE paid for, and show exactly how many Billions this pilot group has already contributed to Save Delta.

WhatNow 04-23-2016 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by rbigred300 (Post 2114982)
Alright for someone who follows almost all of these threads I still find myself surprisingly lost as far as where we are in terms of a new contract. I just joined the hiring pool and I'm curious what the estimated timeline is for a new contract? Especially when I see stuff like this about picketing it makes me think we are far away from one. Do we think it could be months away? Or perhaps a year? Or could it be years? Forgive my ignorance but just looking for the basics. And obviously we want the best contract possible so what happens if it gets voted down again by the pilots...can that just keep happening?

There is really only one similar situation to compare our negotiations with in the last 20 years. Given the depth of the differences in table positions I would plan several years. Don't start spending your raise yet.

notEnuf 04-23-2016 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2115154)
In the past 30 years at Delta, most contract negotiations lasted at least 18 months. Some were settled while in mediation, just like this one will be. The company won't get serious about giving up gains to the pilot group until it costs them more money not to. These last few, quick, Proactive Appeasement contracts are something new, but so is self funding our own pay raises after being decimated in bankruptcy.

Our 2000 contract took 18 months, a 96% Yes strike vote, mediation and lots of ground work in the way of informational picketing, TV media and articles in the newspaper, etc. I expect this one will take just as long, perhaps longer, ball's in Management's court right now, they can restore our concessions or they can suffer the consequences.

I hear the first round of informational picketing will be in NYC at the BOD meeting on June 10. Be sure to bid around it. Time to shine a light on Ed's new Condo purchases that WE paid for, and show exactly how many Billions this pilot group has already contributed to Save Delta.

I'm surprised ED didn't use Earth day and his new Tesla to buy himself some good press.

gzsg 04-23-2016 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2115168)
There is really only one similar situation to compare our negotiations with in the last 20 years. Given the depth of the differences in table positions I would plan several years. Don't start spending your raise yet.

Ed will be fired in 6 months if our contract is not completed.

Multimillionaire Doug Parker has an ego that is in league with the Donald. Parker made it clear there would never be profit sharing at American. His job was quickly in jeopardy and he made the good choices his mommy taught him to growing up. He was within months of being replaced. Doug chose to add profit sharing. He chose wisely.

And United? You can see big money will not tolerate incompetence. CEOs are a dime a dozen.

Last months unemployment claims were the lowest in 42 years.

Labor is gaining strength in America each and every day.

Going to war with the Delta pilots will end Ed's short tenure faster than Moak can turn his back on us.

Timbo 04-23-2016 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2115183)
I'm surprised ED didn't use Earth day and his new Tesla to buy himself some good press.

Did he really buy a Tesla? What a tool.

Just one more thing WE paid for with our lost retirement plan and ongoing pay cuts, in addition to his $7Million condo.:rolleyes:

This contract could be Ed's "So Be It" moment. He can play hardball and suffer the scheduling melt down that will result, or he can come to his senses and restore our -no longer needed- concessions.

notEnuf 04-23-2016 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2115237)
Did he really buy a Tesla? What a tool.

Just one more thing WE paid for with our lost retirement plan and ongoing pay cuts, in addition to his $7Million condo.:rolleyes:

This contract could be Ed's "So Be It" moment. He can play hardball and suffer the scheduling melt down that will result, or he can come to his senses and restore our -no longer needed- concessions.

It was on his Deltanet news feed (corporate sponsored Facebook, look at me postings) He used to have Audis. I don't care what he drives, if cars are his thing fine but the ego driven stuff comes off badly when you are suppressing your employees pay and benefits. Just a reminder he and the rest of the management team circumvented 3.B.4. instead of allowing a contractual benefit to happen in due course. And now we are having to grieve the profit sharing issue too. So much for the benevolent mother Delta. Just business right? So be it. I will tend to my business this summer not Delta's. It's just business.


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