Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2116058)

You are the problem. You've been voted off the island. Tough to take. The company paid down 10 billion in debt and bought back 5 billion is stock. Just about overnight.

You're 15% behind 12 year old pay rates with no retirement. Wait for what? Our CEO makes 20 million a year, our fellow employees received a historic pay raise and have been restored. Let's keep waiting. For what, more historic profits?

Can't keep waiting or time will pass you by. The past practice of appeasement has left us way behind. Your post reveals a lot, we can't be paid more than XYZ because it will hurt the company. That mentality is part of the Stockholm Syndrome Dalpa embraced. Dalpa thinks they're quasi management, part of the solution, only to be played like a fool. Or maybe Dalpa is comfortable with FPL and the status quo.

In any event, you a now part of the minority position. Whether we win or fail, the majority of the pilots you fly with, the guys in the fox hole, the pilots in the seat next to you, mostly disagree with the old way of doing things. They disagree with you.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2115890)

Brag much? This kind of post doesn't make me very sympathetic to ensuring that this particular part of the contract remains intact. It's all good though. If it is still in place after we sign a contract, I'm bidding back on top of you and take those trips from ya. ;)

Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 2115737)

the reality is we are in a negotiating environment that no other labor group has ever been in, ever. Our profit sharing has essentially forced everyone to scramble to write new pages to the negotiating playbook. Both sides have to adjust to this never before seen environment. I just had this discussion today with a fellow pilot, that this might be the only time in history that as we continue to build profits and negotiate a new contract, our pay continues to increase through record profit sharing. Its a beautiful insurance policy.

Is there opportunity cost while we await a new contract? It depends. If we were talking about a simple contract extension like United, we would have a contract by now, very easily. However, the company still wants concessions from us in several areas. That is not acceptable to us in this negotiating environment. So is there opportunity cost while we await a new contract? It's not clear. But we will be ok.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2115890)

Brag much? This kind of post doesn't make me very sympathetic to ensuring that this particular part of the contract remains intact. It's all good though. If it is still in place after we sign a contract, I'm bidding back on top of you and take those trips from ya. ;)

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2116061)

So you propose we cave to the company to get a contract done now? That's what I am getting from your post. If we want the contract to be even close to our opener it's going to take time. I did not make a single post about what we should be paid. I simply pointed out that the UAL contract extension does not give us leverage for a quick contract.
You can cave. I will wait.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2115947)

I don't see it as bragging

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2116166)

That's fine. That's your opinion. I'll bet you I am not alone in the perception that it is.

And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2116166)

That's fine. That's your opinion. I'll bet you I am not alone in the perception that it is.

And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.