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Denny Crane 05-31-2016 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by WillieF15 (Post 2137679)
I'm on reserve as a ATL 717B dude, and the PWA and Crew Scheduling Handbook both talk about greenslips the following way:

"will receive single pay, no credit (above his reserve guarantee) for the portion of a GS
rotation that he flew and that interrupted an X day or was flown after his accumulated
credit equaled the ALV, and additional time free of duty under Section 23.S.11"

What does it mean to get NO CREDIT? If you can translate this paragraph into plain English I'd be obliged...

Simply, an hour of pay falls into one of two buckets, credit or no credit. Credit applies to things like ALV and reserve guarantee. No credit does not.

There is so much more involved in explaining the periphery that I will leave that out of it.

Denny

scambo1 05-31-2016 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by WillieF15 (Post 2137679)
I'm on reserve as a ATL 717B dude, and the PWA and Crew Scheduling Handbook both talk about greenslips the following way:

"will receive single pay, no credit (above his reserve guarantee) for the portion of a GS
rotation that he flew and that interrupted an X day or was flown after his accumulated
credit equaled the ALV, and additional time free of duty under Section 23.S.11"

What does it mean to get NO CREDIT? If you can translate this paragraph into plain English I'd be obliged...

under far 117, it probably doesnt mean what it used to.

Credit is flight time+deadhead time+any daily guarantee. Pre-117 there was a 30 day max of 100 hrs. No credit made the trip invisible FAR-wise.

Post 117, we have a lookback of 100 hrs max in a rolling 672 hrs (28 days). Only the hard blocktime is used. But GS block hrs count against this.

Thats how my pea brain looks at it. The official answer is probably different.

Moondog 05-31-2016 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by WillieF15 (Post 2137679)
I'm on reserve as a ATL 717B dude, and the PWA and Crew Scheduling Handbook both talk about greenslips the following way:

"will receive single pay, no credit (above his reserve guarantee) for the portion of a GS
rotation that he flew and that interrupted an X day or was flown after his accumulated
credit equaled the ALV, and additional time free of duty under Section 23.S.11"

What does it mean to get NO CREDIT? If you can translate this paragraph into plain English I'd be obliged...

Simply put, Credit time goes against your ALV and N0-Credit is on top of your ALV(in addition to ALV).

WillieF15 05-31-2016 11:02 AM

credit
 
Thanks fellas. Is an inverse assignment more beneficial than a greenslip? They sound similar in the PWA.

capncrunch 05-31-2016 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by WillieF15 (Post 2137679)
I'm on reserve as a ATL 717B dude, and the PWA and Crew Scheduling Handbook both talk about greenslips the following way:

"will receive single pay, no credit (above his reserve guarantee) for the portion of a GS
rotation that he flew and that interrupted an X day or was flown after his accumulated
credit equaled the ALV, and additional time free of duty under Section 23.S.11"

What does it mean to get NO CREDIT? If you can translate this paragraph into plain English I'd be obliged...

Basically you'll get paid above guarantee for the GS but that time or credit in this instance, will not go towards your reserve obligation.

Gunfighter 05-31-2016 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by WillieF15 (Post 2137705)
Thanks fellas. Is an inverse assignment more beneficial than a greenslip? They sound similar in the PWA.

GS is a request to fly for premium pay. You control the preferences on a GS. IA is crew scheduling telling you what you will do, when and for how long. Both pay double for a lineholder, so if you are able and willing to fly, put in a GS and have a little more control. A bottle of whiskey near the phone in case the wife or kids answer a 404 number is a good technique on your days off. Take a shot, then say hello.

notEnuf 05-31-2016 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by WillieF15 (Post 2137679)
I'm on reserve as a ATL 717B dude, and the PWA and Crew Scheduling Handbook both talk about greenslips the following way:

"will receive single pay, no credit (above his reserve guarantee) for the portion of a GS
rotation that he flew and that interrupted an X day or was flown after his accumulated
credit equaled the ALV, and additional time free of duty under Section 23.S.11"

What does it mean to get NO CREDIT? If you can translate this paragraph into plain English I'd be obliged...

...doesn't count toward your reserve guarantee but is paid on top of your guarantee.

If you GS a trip on reserve on your on call day outside of your short or long call obligation, you can move an X day to that day and get GS pay and the X day paid back. That's how you can turn an ordinary reserve day into a GS.

scambo1 05-31-2016 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2137773)
...doesn't count toward your reserve guarantee but is paid on top of your guarantee.

If you GS a trip on reserve on your on call day outside of your short or long call obligation, you can move an X day to that day and get GS pay and the X day paid back. That's how you can turn an ordinary reserve day into a GS.

Hes 717 so x day moving might be tough.

Heres how I do it...My trips are different.

With scheduler concurrence, you can move an x day to the first day of a trip...Do this when they offer a GS on on call days (probably not wise on the 717.

Move other x days under the footprint of the trip 72 hours out. Thats the window for x day moves.

4 day GS on on call days.

Gs gs gs gs
X........X..X

You will always lose the second day of the GS AND the scheduler is not required to move an x day under the first day of the gs.

notEnuf 05-31-2016 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2137805)
Hes 717 so x day moving might be tough.

Heres how I do it...My trips are different.

With scheduler concurrence, you can move an x day to the first day of a trip...Do this when they offer a GS on on call days (probably not wise on the 717.

Move other x days under the footprint of the trip 72 hours out. Thats the window for x day moves.

4 day GS on on call days.

Gs gs gs gs
X........X..X

You will always lose the second day of the GS AND the scheduler is not required to move an x day under the first day of the gs.


I was referring to 23.U.1.b.2) Note two. You can get a GS on a regular reserve day and move an X day to get the "above guarantee" pay and then get your X day back, and it may end up right where it was but as a PB day. If you can move more X days into the footprint great, but you can always move one instantly to the first day regardless of coverage or PCS times.

WillieF15 06-02-2016 06:23 PM

credit
 
Thanks gents, makes more sense now. I aspire to be as deft as you are with my schedule.


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