SWA Will Raise The Bar
 

In my opinion an agreement at SWA is imminent.



No one should doubt they will use the UPS rates, pension, vacation, etc. to lead the industry.



Remember their hour is 54 minutes. So add 11% to their new 737 rate and that will be our new minimum on the 737.



How refreshing to see management foot dragging work in our favor.



Long overdue.



United--No concessions



UPS--No concessions



Allegiant--No concessions



FedEx--No concessions



Delta--?


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Jerry Fielding

This is the reason I think we will have a TA sooner rather than later. I think the company would like to have an agreement before SW can raise the bar even more.

Denny

The BIG question is will our NC team insist and demand that we get an "industry leading" agreement out of management. We have already been told that management needs have been "addressed". What does this mean? Concessions?? Even if we lead in pay rates but give up work rules in the area of sick leave/LCA trip pulls/PS/vacation it will be a failure IMO... I hope my concerns are unfounded...

It is a valid concern.

I look for Captain Dickson to live up to his promise.

"Industry leading pay, work rules and benefits."

No word games. Every pilot at Delta is smart enough to know what industry leading is.

What about a me too clause like United negotiated? If SWA doesn't have a deal first we jump to a ratio of their rates when they do if they are higher.

Absolutely agreed, Denny. The pressure is on in a number of ways.

Given the constraints of our "re-opener" pay rates, I can't see a TA I could support unless there were significant gains in work rules, vacation, scope, and retirement.

This...........in spades......

I agree with this. Although to be "industry leading" in the areas of work rules, vacation, scope and retirement they woul have to be Big, BIG gains to our PWA... Unfortunately our opener asked for only minuscule gains in those areas if they were addressed at all...

Pssssst. Their 73 guys already make way more than our 73 guys. They might, maybe, agree to match the 777 to their 73.

Guess I wasn't clear. I'm talking about a me too clause in our TA that brings us up to their rates if they get a better deal after we get a TA.

You've got a lot more trust in "Capt" Dixon than I do... Of course he may realize he will have to abide by the new agreement when he returns to line flying...😏

After years of some good decisions, followed by many bad decisions that were bailed out by a boom time for airlines, Dickson's ego is almost as large as his waistline.

There is NO way he will ever return to the line. He may get requalled, only to medical out, but would take a huge ego hit to be a commoner again.

Dickson maintains his currency on the 320.

wow....am I disappointed. Here I was expecting informative discourse on SWA engaging in a repopulation effort for the apex predator of north America.....

The Kitten?????:D

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Precisely.

I stand corrected. Rephrase...I find it hard to believe that he will ever be a "Line Dog" again. No, he will ride this thing out as long as he can.

Captain Dickson made in the neighborhood of $4,000,000 last year. I don't think he is going to return to flying the line when he ends his tenure as our leader. I'm sure he has a management type pension, too. I doubt he will return to line flying.

I heard that $4m was achieved in large part due to strategic (ab)use of sick leave...:D

Curiosity question.

Doesn't the training department have a 7 year max, then you gotta move on to something else somewhere? Same with CPO? Or am I wrong? Because he was Director of Flight Ops when I was hired 8.5 years ago. Is there no longevity clause for that position? Not a hit or anything, just wondering.

Where is that little sarcasm emoji when you need it!!?? It was sarcasm folks! For the life of me I can not understand why he is still allowed to have a line number... Here's a question for you>. Did he pay DALPA 2% of that $4,000,000.00 last year?? If not, I will repeat the question. Why is this management toady allowed to have a line number?????

Have you guys heard what management is pulling here at Southwest? As much as I'd love a killer contract for you all to leap frog I don't think that's happening for quite some time. Our TA1 was pitiful and the company came to the negotiation table with an offer less than TA1. It will be a long fight if we expect to get anything close to industry standard.

Time to push for self help...that's not good faith negotiating. Yes, I know it's not that easy, but you gotta put back somewhere.

No, it does not apply to them, but of course they were the ones saying it. When they do move on, they just rearrange the chairs....:rolleyes:

That does not apply to "upper level" managers. They can hang around as long as they say yes to their bosses.

Don't count on SWA to raise the bar
 

We (SWA) are not even close to another TA. Sept. 1 with be 4 years since the amenable date and we are as far apart as ever. In our last meeting with management they told us they completely disagree with our expectations of the career value of a pilot at SWA. Our CEO says "thousands of pilots are lined up at the door to work here" so pay must not be an issue. IMO only the mediator can move us forward. We've been hoping you guys will lift us up, not vice versa!

Ditto. SWA is dragging it's feet like a ***** to church. SWA will likely finish the contract with the FAs first--and the FA union is going through a leadership crisis of 3 ring circus magnitude.

I hope the SWAPA platform gets pulled. It was tolerable as a quick revote on the failed TA, but since management is in no rush, let's get everything fixed. We need to start with a vote.

did you end up taking the DL interview?

Hard to believe after 4 years people aren't bringing the place to a standstill.

People are too busy tripping over their di**s picking up premium pay.

Nope. Just couldn't accept the fact I'd have to commute for the rest of my career.

New SWA TA Will Set The Bar Higher
 

This is critical information.



In my opinion, the Southwest pilots will soon have a new TA.



I believe the 737 captain rate will be $280 per hour.



Their hour is :54 minutes.



Therefore you need to add 11% to get an equivalent for our contract.



$280 X 11% = $311.



Once they have a new TA $311 per hour for a 737 captain will be the rate all our hourly rates will be based off of.



Time is on our side.



Patient for the right deal.
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Jerry Fielding

From SWA current hourly of $216 to $311 is a 44% increase. Not sure that is attainable based on their recent negotiating history. Time will tell...

Better read it again. He said $280

Saltshaker,

I read it correctly the first time. $216 is their currently converted hourly rate on APC, he anticipates $311 as the new converted hourly rate. I'm talking apples to apples (converted hourly rates) and I believe my math is corrrect.

JTF

I believe the new SWA rate will be $280 an hour.

Converted for us $311. Apples to apples.

I won't even get into their vacation and 19 hour 3 day trips vs our 15:45.

I'll help you out there. :D

Reserve=15 days off to my understanding.

Average line of flying 17-19 days off with the productive trips they do.