Plenty of people prefer dozing for dollars in a 777 in their first or second year over 4 legs in and out of Atlanta. You may not, which is fine. Lots of unpaid work in a narrow body and lots of unworked pay on a wide body. For better and worse, Delta is simply a much more prominent NB carrier than UAL... but less than SWA?!

I think one has a higher chance of catching something in ATL than Wuhan :D

Yeah, credit card fraud from the airport employees.

Time between applying and call for interview
 

(I interviewed last week and they told us 157 in class in March. So 40 a class? Expecting a 3/16 class. Idk how they’re going to find the sim space. Are they sending guys outside of ATL to do sim?)

Curious when you applied and how long you had to wait before getting the call for an interview? I applied early Jan and curious for the average wait time. Thanks.

Sim space for newhires isn’t as big a bottleneck as LCAs to fly OE (depending on fleet). There are more sims for the aircraft they’ll likely get to choose (717, 737, 320, 200, and maybe a scattering of 7ER), and no prohibitions on middle of the night sim periods. Provided you don’t get sick and miss sims and show up prepared so you don’t need additional sims, the training footprint runs pretty much on schedule. There is the possibility of off site sims, but I don’t know when the last time was that we used those, despite all the rumors that we need to any day.

Many people have had their apps on file for many many years, some get a call, some don’t. It’s anyone’s guess. If you’re military it will be less time.


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It seems the class sizes are alternating between large and small class size. The 2/3 class has 44 in it and the class starting tomorrow will be about 27, less than 30 because that’s all the seats they have in that classroom. It’s based off of the classroom size for now. So the class on the 17th should be 40 plus.
If 27 is the # for tomorrow’s class that will make 71 pilots in the 1st two classes on February.


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pretty sure they still use both the Boeing and Airbus sims in Miami fairly regularly. I did sims in Miami for both my IQ programs—717 four years ago and ER two years ago. When I was hired, rumor was the company was considering sending folks to Australia to use Qantas’ 717 sims, so they do have some fallback plans if they absolutely need them.

they can still send people to LAS, over to Europe for Airbus training. Canada. Boeing in SEA. The ER was using DEN for awhile (FWIW United was using our 767-400 sim when theirs was undergoing MX in DEN). There's a lot of options.

Would be great to come to this page and actually read about class drops...

I haven't read through all the prior posts, but as far as the recent few, you are coming across as the one who is more touchy and defensive. His posts don't seem completely out of touch. UA has a lot of things in their contract that we need in ours. I haven't done a side by side comparison, but based on a lot of things I share with a friend at UA we both agree there are many good things we could take from each other's contracts. What I read is that DH and seat assignments are a big issue with many here at D and that is not the case at UA. They've got their S#!* straight when it comes to that part of the contract.

Today's Drop:

3 NYC ER
5 NYC 320
2 NYC 220
4 DTW 717
7 CVG 737

21 total? That can’t be all.

That seems about right for weekly classes.
23 on 1/27
44 on 2/3
21 in class today.

Just seems light. I guess if they alternate large and small classes they could do 130-140 per month. Are they on track for their summer number is all I really care about. I haven’t been keeping totals but 21 seemed too small to be accurate. I thought they were looking for a net gain of 400-500 from June 2019 to June 2020.

BS initially said approx 125/month Jan-May to get 625 pilots on line for Summer 2020.

Then at a base visit last week he said Jan/Feb were on track for the 125/month, but they would incease Mar-May to 150/month.

Summer of 2019, the bottom of the seniority list hovered in the 14,340's.

List is now at 15,540, so already a gain of 100.

2019 averaged 44 retirements a month.So Feb net gain should be 80....Mar-May net gains should be 106.

Appears we will be in the 400-500 net gain ballpark.....big qustion is will that actually be enought to cover the increase in year-over-year summer flying?

Not an issue. We'll just cut out all the credit. Problem solved.

And make more pilots available by awarding most vacation in other months.

No, that was just to cover FEB 29th. Yuuuuge travel day. Very big deal.

You do understand that my comment about him being out of touch was saying that people would be better off staying at a regional than coming to DAL, right?

There are two things I'd like to get from UAL. Their deadhead rules and crew meal rules. Honestly I don't know of anything else.

Then I am sorry you misunderstood my response. I am just trying to help. Yeah the trips have been gummed up since he has been here. I normally as a line holder get rerouted once a month,and it normally happens on my 30 hr, and then I get converted to two shortly layovers and get nothing more. And yes it makes me angry I am not paid for my loss of trip. Then there is the number of times I have been required to call in fatigued because the operation will not stop until we as pilots say no,even it it results in a violation to me as the certificate holder. Delta has made it painfully known that they will not stand up for me with regards to 117. And they will only throw us under the bus.

But yes UAL better training pay ie 80/month first year rate. They also pay for your hotel for all of your training ...it ends up working out to about 3-5k differenc. When you considering a month of hotel you have to pay for.. Sadly Delta is the last airline to not pay for training but also pay you a proper rate while in training... Every regional or ULCC I have worked for or known of at least has the decenty of paying for your hotel in training...but not delta

7 CVG 737’s. Really? Not NY?


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-biddable short call
-1hr credit ABOVE rsv guarantee
-dry cleaning allowance


oh......and WBs.

I’m not willing to give anything in negotiations for new hire hotels because that’s on Delta. Imagine if the FAs or outstation workers as new hires had to come to training in ATL and pay for their own housing during training. This is completely ridiculous. What other fortune 100 (69) does that? Yeah, welcome aboard, BTW...

UAL pays 3 hrs/day, so 90-93 hrs per bid period.

Is the current list really at 15,540, I thought it was about 1,000 less than that?

typo...14,540, which is about 100 more than we had summer 2019.

That is correct.

I want their seat lock rules with all of this kovment coming. Feel like their rules best protect your seniority.

Anyone know about what went senior and what went junior?

320s went to 1,3,4,5,7
First ER went 2 and the rest in the front middle
220s and 737s sprinkled in the back middle
717s went last

They also have unlimited short call and airport ready reserve. You can't just cherry pick the good while ignoring the absolutely awful. Looking at the overall package, the reserve rules are terrible there. Yes, I want 1 hr SCC above guarantee, but I'm not willing to do airport reserve for it.

Even if they lose out on that pay initially, they would get it back and more in PS their first year. I would like to see new hires get a hotel, but I don't choose a 25-30+ year, double- digit-millions dollar career based on hotel costs during training.

Nor should you. We've apparently already secured 1 hr SCC above guarantee, per updates from negotiations.

Does it seem like the trend is that guys are willingly picking up the ATL 88’s?

-Bubs

If there's nothing else in ATL and the rest of the drop consists of entirely NYC domiciled planes that's not uncommon.

Ive got a really low last 4 SSN. I don’t want to commute and can drive to NYC. It seems like the AE pretty much opened NYC and I’m guessing most of the constraints on base are now focused more on how the training department can churn out FO’s. How likely is it to get a NYC slot in drop even with a really low last 4 SSN?

-Bubs

As close as you can get to guaranteed as this business allows.

There are a couple things that vastly alter your QoL at any airline: In base vs commute, WB vs NB, and category seniority. NYC offers a significant boost in seniority due to its extremely low desirability and I've never once heard somebody complain about being stuck in SLC (or any other base for that matter) and unable to get to NYC.

Ha! That’s funny. Yeah. I can drive from my house to NYC. That’s my best bet.

-Bubs

Negotiations are not a cut and paste from someone else’s book. If you like a certain point you ask for that. Maybe the company asks for a different point out of another book. Or a new idea completely. It’s not an all or nothing system.

So yeah, you can cherry pick.