For anyone interested. Next weeks 2/18 class of 46 drop.

ATL73 8
ATL320 5
ATL88 4
NY320 15
NY220 2
NY717 6
NYER 4
CVG73 2

Im assuming I was close to the bottom with my last four social starting with a 2 and I got my first choice of NY320. Hope this helps.

The NYC3N drought continues!!!!

TIC mostly, the category appears to be slightly ahead for once, until 100 convert out in the next couple months...

There were 15 73N NYC in 2/3’s class


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But how many actually showed up? :D

Of course I can!

Do you know where the 220 is going? I am likewise a 2 and not super confident. Going in March 9th, trying to get back to SLC so 320/220 are my top choices. Just seems like every drop is 2 220's...

Your and trip will hit DFW and/or IAH for sure....with a smattering of BNA, AUS, DEN, SLC, SNA, SEA and SJC thrown in. Plus the usual BOS, DTW and MSP.

Sorry, I already know where the pairings go. I meant do you know where the 220 is going in the drop, I'm a 2 on my social.

I can't believe they are still putting new hires on the 88/90. It will be only about 20 MD 90's flying this time next year..Those poor guys will barely get out of training and be displaced.

They must meet the manning formula in the contract.

And it ain't gone till it's gone.

I recall not long ago we were forecast to have only a few in 2020..

My last 4 starts with a 0. Thats not good.

-Bubs

It is not. Enjoy the 88... Or if there is a shortage of ATL slots and people are desperate to get there, enjoy the 717

Thats probably whats going to happen. Anyone want to send me some pairing examples from NYC 717? I fly the 190 at Jblue now and I’m doing 16 leg 4 days. I’m hoping Delta does a better job of not pushing me into 14 hour days and asking me to waive the CBA to move a jet.

-Bubs

Thats true too, however who’s going to be staying on the jet to the very end? It’s going to be the super senior guys who don’t want to change. The new hires will be the ones jumping. Maybe thats not a bad place to be. If you’re displaced can you bid any seat any base? Or do you have to stay in base and change equipment?

-Bubs

poor new hires? A few months on the 88 before they have no seat lock and go to whatever category they can hold in the system. Plus can bid again whenever they want if they don’t like the plane they went to through the displacement.

If you’re displaced they will remove your seat lock and you can go anywhere that your seniority allows. It would suck to go through two rounds of training but at least you come out on the other side without a seat lock.

The company will also pay for your move if you’re changing bases (there are some caveats with this but I don’t want to look them up).

So you’re saying I should bid the 88? Haha


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It's an airplane, old with crazy vnav and a lotta MELs everytime you go out. But it's just a plane and first year pay is the same as everything else.

As others have said, the MD that'll come with it will offer a lot of options.

88 study guides
 

As a mil guy transitioning to the 121 world I thought the 88 was a great airplane. I'm psyched I got to fly that machine. For any new hires lucky enough to fly The Dog I have a system's guide and training guide that offer really good consolidated information to supplement your company material. PM if interested.

Yup! Choosing the 88 is like being handed a blank check.

With the # of new hires arriving in 2020, when the displacement ultimately comes you’ll be able to write that check for whatever aircraft and base you want that any of the hundreds of NHs behind you have gotten in their drop.

You’ll also have the benefit of hindsight to see where seniority is trending and make your choice and slide right in through the displacement.

And you’ll have the T-shirt for having flown a true McDonnell Douglas product.

I think the 2/10 Class rebid their awards the first day, do you know if the 2/18 class got an second email with all those options? I’m 2/24 and we were give NYC 220/320/717/737 and ATL 88. I’m starting to regret my order after reading about the 88.

2/18 class rebid and have airplane assignments. I would imagine 2/24 will get a email soon to rebid. I come in March and still waiting to bid.

Anyone have an idea if NYC 7ER will be going to new hires for awhile? How many went vacant in the last AE? I'm in a March class, and trying to get as much info as possible. Thanks!

There's like 100+ openings or so.

I think 90 straight up vacancy and a lot of guys who bid off.

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I don’t often have MELs on the Dog. You should quit breaking things.

You don't break Douglas airplane; Douglas airplane breaks you!

Ain’t that the truth. :D

They backed themselves into a corner. Last class in 2018 that got MD88s was June 4 2018. Then just to make sure the category was completely screwed they displaced the few off the bottom who still had seat locks and recalled them. Which erased their seat lock.

So they had a category nobody wants, with no seniority movement, and now no seat locks...

They didn’t have a choice, finally had to start putting new hires on it or there wouldn’t have been any copilots. 84hr ALV in March...

It makes me scratch my head with the high ALV and TLV (91:30!!) because reserves were projected over 20% and thus given an extra X-day. Who here can read the tea leaves better than?

My guess is vacation allows for the higher ALV while still having 20%+ reserves.

Looking at the pilot reserve levels on the 88b for March, they are way overstaffed. Not sure how you come up with no FO's?

Any particular reason for the mass exodus?

100% spot on.

there are over a 100 leaving in the next few months. Block hours are high until late fall when they will dramatically drop. I believe 20k+ in June to 8k in December. This exact discussion was explained by bs a few CR memos ago. Again everything is subject to change. Also, coverage might look good in March till March madness hits. The 88 has the ncaa charters.

Is the drop Out for tomorrow’s class yet?

They appear to be over staffed, because they put new hires on it finally and the bottom 10% of the list isn’t out of training yet. If they hadn’t added new hires they’d be short about 50 right now.

Lost a lot of international. Some guys moving to 330/765 FO.

Guys like me who are primarily domestic and MeX/LA for international have had schedules degrade a bit, and very little Europe making it to us.

I used to hold occasional Lisbon, EDI, GLA, KEF as a line holder and be able to get CDG, FRA, BRU, CPH on reserve if I Yellow Slipped.

My thought was if I'm going to get non commutable domestic, might as well get paid as a Captain to do it.

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Also Africa layovers have gone to crap, especially Dakar. 16 hour day sleep with double redeye's.

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Does CVG only have the 737?