JV Scope Focus
 

Anyone who is not 100% focused on JV scope is not paying attention.

When you look at the VEBA debacle, how can we trust this administration to negotiate JV scope that will be iron clad with IMMEDIATE PENALTIES?

The very second management is out of compliance the harmed pilots need to be paid each and every month until management is back in compliance.

IMO management will immediately fall out of compliance and we will have our pants down around our ankles again.

If we are 100% focused on JV scope, we cannot focus on anything else, right?

Dude seriously.

And what is it with some of you and the sexual metaphors?

Great point about the 100% focus thing. But you have been asking the forum to start focusing on JV, so here's a thread devoted to that.

What do you know about JV in the current negotiations and what do you think needs to be done?

What I've seen (this is not directed at you), is that 737-800s and 321s are planned for trans-Atlantic routes. There were many on APC saying that wouldn't happen when the JV block hour conversion proposal was being contested.

Ain't gonna happen. Makes no sense whatsoever, but I have no knowledge of anything going on wrt negotiations.

I'm just repeating what I saw in a DALPA email this morning. And to clarify, that item in the email was referring to foreign carriers, not us.

JetBlue is researching the idea as well. Hence the projected (Intl./Dom.) growth out of BOS in the next couple years.

Can anyone say, "virtual pilot base in BOS"?

We need immediate penalties if/when management gets out of compliance. Harmed pilots being paid the second they are out of compliance.

No conversion to block hours.

Hey! You finally got something right!

Careful 80 you might have to vote No.

Hearing we are going to cave on change to block hours.

Air France A 380 vs Delta A 321.

We can never allow this to happen.

Be informed and discuss with your reps.

Don't listen to me or the jam down club.

Call your Rep and be informed.

This is like being forced to watch an infommercial designed for the mentally disabled. In another language.

Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out.

Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft.

And the Atlantic is soft.

If anything, we need multiple metrics to ensure the intent is maintained. Loosening SCOPE is just another log on the concession fire. Remember to evaluate the whole TA. I'll start a sections with a concession thread if/when we get a T/A.

Concessions 1, 3, 14, 23...

No gains 7, 11, 12...

Total nonsense.

767 being replaced by A 321.

The same guys who negotiated the VEBA are negotiating our JV scope.

I was hired in 1985 this won't harm me. Consider the source.

I'm fighting for our profession and our new pilots, not myself or management.

Are you trying to say that there is language in the JV that compels DAL to reduce flying when one of the JV partners does?

When you say "usually 2 pilots" for the A380, where is that coming from and exactly what percentage of A380 JV partner routes are 2 pilot crews?

We need both BH and ESK protections.

Of course it would happen. The company WANTED it.

We need to not make any scope concessions during record profits.

And which AIP improved JV and CS agreements? None

So company wants no change to CS JV
Won't take the Alaska Marketing Agreement out of Sec 1
More large RJ's
Significant cut to sick leave (sick once per quarter for a year and then you are on perpetual doctors notes going forward until you haven't called in long enough that the first sick call rolls off the rolling window). No verifying before that point!
OE trip pulls
And what other gems for 17-19%?

Agree. Malone needs to walk in and tell them well change sick leave to hire month, that's it for concessions. Otherwise I'm personally getting DPA stood up and firing all the old guard. And walk out.

Kiss retro good bye, and any hopes of a deal within the next 3 years along with it.


Oh, you can wait.



Forgot.



And those that would like a deal are 'selfish'.

Boy, have I gotta deal for you...

NO CONCESSIONS pay tables only 19/5/5. Last, best, final.

And I will personally make sure they never see the light of day as Delta Pilot bargaining agent. Nobody has time for that tea party type philosophy.

DPA is irrelevant and will always be irrelevant

Smaller pays less.


Deal with it.

gzsg thinks that the 321 and 737 will take over widebodies across the Atlantic.

He is clearly the Donald Trump of Delta pilots. His posts get more outlandish and ludicrous by the day. 100% rhetoric 0% math

Delta's scope section is solid. Our international section is protected by that and the global protections granted from the Virgin JV. Flying slated for the AF/KLM JV was moved to Latin American because of much better profitability. Global Protection Trumps Theatre Protection.

Tell me more????