Are you going to vote yes to bring management immediately info JV scope compliance?

Are you going to vote yes to convert to block hours? This would allow management to have us fly an A 321 to Europe and Air France an A 380.

I was hired in 1985. I am fighting for our new pilots and our profession. Those who attack me just want a pay raise.

Call and write you reps. Educate yourself on this number 1 issue.

Your career depends on it.

 

You need to call your Rep. What you posted is not the position of either side in the negotiation.

Nobody attacks you. They attack misinformation. They attack false reports. They resist undermining the politics of local counsels that you are not a member of. They resist support for the DPA. They resist the idea that your seniority gives your opinion or vote more importance than anyone else.

In person, you are probably a fine individual but on the internet most could GAS about you. We are just here trying to make a good living at our chosen avocation, working for a good company, supporting our families while trying to avoid burdening anyone else with our retirement.

Good, accurate information and opinions based in data instead of political aspirations would result in fewer comments which you view as "attacks."

IMHO you've been refuted, not attacked.

 

In order to ask meaningful questions you need to be informed. Like all your posts you sound hysterical and don't give any real reason why.
If you want to make a point why not do it this way.
Tell us how many sections of the overall scope agreement Delta is not in compliance with.
In the sections they are not in compliance tell us how far they are out of compliance and give us the number of flights and job loss this is causing.
Armed with the above facts you can have a meaningful discussion with your rep.

 

Here comes gzsg with more DPA fear mongering.

Who in their right mind thinks that Delta will start flying the A321 to any city in the AF/KLM JV? Any idea gzsg?

A deal that puts the company immediately into compliance is necessary because the old metric doesn't work. Management did not grow that flying due to the economy and clearly has no intent to. Flying was sent to Latin America and Pacific. Minimal impact on pilot jobs.

gzsg does not fight for new pilots. He fights for no deal and for DPA. His talking points are all rhetoric with no scientific analysis or facts to back them up. He asks you to educate your on something he himself is not educated on. Ask him if he understands theatre protection vs global protection. Ask him if he understands the Virgin Atlantic JV.

Look back at his countless posts with constant one liner rhetoric. It's the standard DPA strategy to appeal on emotion with little to no facts. I don't ever recall gzsg ever backing any statement with charts, graphs or any kind of numbers.

Do not follow the path gzsg wants to lead you. Your career depends on it.

 

I agree. 47.5% does not work. Its OK as an emergency floor maybe, but our half should at the very least be half.

50% minimum. Any percent below that must be above that the following year. We can use BH's, but we must always maintain a ESK floor and theatre and per JV floors. We can not allow any metric to have an unlimited bottom.

 

gzsg:

I am based in JFK and fly the Atlantic regularly. Sometimes in a 757, sometimes in a 767ER. Your Chicken Little act is, like most of your shrill, shrieking posts, a poor attempt at deflection.
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We fly the 757s to destinations which don't have enough traffic for a 767. Thus we make more $$$ per seat. When the traffic builds enough, we up-gauge to bigger metal.
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When the 767ER gets filled, we up-guage to a 767-400 or a 330. That's the way it works. (ref: See NCE, FRA, FCO, MXP, CPH etc)
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Do I care if "I" fly a 767 from JFK-AMS when KLM is using a 777 ? Nope. We flew 19! (nineteen!!) flights EACH day over the Summer from the USA to AMS. Delta metal. Would we be doing 19 flights EACH day to AMS if it were not for the JV making it smoother for the connecting pax and more coordinated for us and KLM? Of course not. (BTW, why do the same group of players here always b1tch about OAL JV jets flying into our airports. They conveniently forget that we do the same thing in CDG, AMS etc.)

That pic at the bottom is Schipol airport in Amsterdam, NOT Atlanta. See, there are two sides to many stories and the Deceivers Pilot Assoc. never wants you to hear the other side.

So if AF wants to fly their 380s from Paris, fine. I'm tired of the long bus ride anyway, I'll go to Stockholm in my little 757, cuz the scenery is better. Maybe Network will put a 767 on that route next Summer. (JFK-Copenhagen started as a 757, next Summer it's a 767-400.)
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In my estimation, our Network is doing a super job of balancing gauge vs. loads on the Atlantic. They coordinate with AF/KLM on every flight and the timing/pricing of those flights. (See Anti-trust immunity) Their successful balancing act is making lots of $$$$$ for the Company and lots of PS for me. It is also opening up new destinations. (See Glasgow 2017)
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One last request gzsg:

Is it true that your DPA lawyer will be owed lots of retro $$$$ if we get a TA passed and the DPA membership drive then instantly withers away?
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Please answer that question.
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Changing metrics and rewriting the company into compliance only undermines past negotiations and sets a precedent of appeasement and distrust in managements intent to meet their obligations.

If management cedes flying to the JV partners for whatever reason they deem appropriate, (capacity restraint, revenue management, etc.) then they have made a choice to outsource. It is more efficient to operate as few flights as possible and cooperate with a foreign partner to allow access to the most sellable seats. The continual reworking of compliance is their need, not ours. The agreements they have with other business partners would not be forgiven if they were not in compliance, why should we be any different?

If they want changes to these terms, there needs to be more consideration given in the form of additional value to our contract. The continual undermining of previous "protections" is not acceptable. Immediate compliance encourages future non-compliance and weakens the value of SCOPE.

BTW the only way Delta pilots receive compensation for outsourcing is through profit sharing when those JVs make profits.

 

It is ironic that you are looking out for those not even at Delta yet, yet somehow you are the bad guy.

Amazing.

 

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He may or may not be a bad guy. I don't know him.
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But he, and the rest of the Deceivers Private Agenda group need to be exposed for what they are- A group he11 bent on torpedoing ANY ALPA TA so as to allow their group to replace ALPA and become our collective bargaining agent. That way, we will all pay the DPA retro legal bill that is looming in the very near future.
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I get the mistrust of DPA promoters, but how is continuing with ALPA beneficial? We pay for way more than our share. I'd consider any other organizational structure over ALPA. National is a blood sucking leach that has no intent to make a forceful effort on our behalf with regard to our negotiation. How much of our dues go to support a bloated bureaucracy and the interests of regionals and our competitors? If this were a true trade union, I would support it completely. Sadly it is not.