More 76 seat jets for pay raise!
09-27-2016 | 06:21 PM
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More 76 seat jets for pay raise!
Dear Delta Pilots:
Do NOT allow/sell any more 76 seat jets to be outsourced. Delta can have as many 76 seat jets as they want, as long as they are flown by mainline.
Management is trying to manufacture negotiating capital out of something that doesn't exist: MORE BIG JETS OUTSOURCED.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT. In the most favorable negotiating environment in decades, there is absolutely NO reason to sell any scope. None.
Sincerely,
The rest of the profession.
Do NOT allow/sell any more 76 seat jets to be outsourced. Delta can have as many 76 seat jets as they want, as long as they are flown by mainline.
Management is trying to manufacture negotiating capital out of something that doesn't exist: MORE BIG JETS OUTSOURCED.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT. In the most favorable negotiating environment in decades, there is absolutely NO reason to sell any scope. None.
Sincerely,
The rest of the profession.
09-28-2016 | 07:22 AM
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Dear Delta Pilots:
Do NOT allow/sell any more 76 seat jets to be outsourced. Delta can have as many 76 seat jets as they want, as long as they are flown by mainline.
Management is trying to manufacture negotiating capital out of something that doesn't exist: MORE BIG JETS OUTSOURCED.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT. In the most favorable negotiating environment in decades, there is absolutely NO reason to sell any scope. None.
Sincerely,
The rest of the profession.
Do NOT allow/sell any more 76 seat jets to be outsourced. Delta can have as many 76 seat jets as they want, as long as they are flown by mainline.
Management is trying to manufacture negotiating capital out of something that doesn't exist: MORE BIG JETS OUTSOURCED.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT. In the most favorable negotiating environment in decades, there is absolutely NO reason to sell any scope. None.
Sincerely,
The rest of the profession.
Signed,
mind your own business
Oh, and it is fewer RJs at our company, not more. Pay attention.
09-28-2016 | 07:29 AM
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Good post A321
The 50 seaters are dying on their own due to economics. We already allow 325 large RJs to be outsourced. There is ZERO reason to allow more.
Some "we need to get a TA at all cost" types are trying to sell it as a win to outsource more large RJs. They claim it will reduce the 50 seat flying which is going away regardless. Hopefully we hold the line for a change.
The 50 seaters are dying on their own due to economics. We already allow 325 large RJs to be outsourced. There is ZERO reason to allow more.
Some "we need to get a TA at all cost" types are trying to sell it as a win to outsource more large RJs. They claim it will reduce the 50 seat flying which is going away regardless. Hopefully we hold the line for a change.
09-28-2016 | 07:41 AM
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50 seaters are done regardless. Pay attention.
You sound like Ed Bastian or Moak himself.
09-28-2016 | 07:43 AM
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The type of deal being rumored is good for Delta and DCI pilots:
-less DCI block hours
-more mainline block hours
-improve and lock in the ratios
-protect the Delta pilots
-more pay for Delta pilots
-more pay for DCI pilots
It doesn't include any new types, and it doesn't deprive Delta pilots of flying we want to do.
If similar to 2012, it's been effective and popular. Yes, it codifies things that management PROBABLY wanted to do anyway, so they win too, but it unlocks vlaue for all, and it provides contractual protections.
The industry has bigger scope problems, especially on the WB end, plus licensing, foreign carriers in general, the ME3, etc. Delta has a problem in those areas, and the Delta pilots are now behind the industry, and we're going to weigh, privately, the pros and cons of any agreement.
-less DCI block hours
-more mainline block hours
-improve and lock in the ratios
-protect the Delta pilots
-more pay for Delta pilots
-more pay for DCI pilots
It doesn't include any new types, and it doesn't deprive Delta pilots of flying we want to do.
If similar to 2012, it's been effective and popular. Yes, it codifies things that management PROBABLY wanted to do anyway, so they win too, but it unlocks vlaue for all, and it provides contractual protections.
The industry has bigger scope problems, especially on the WB end, plus licensing, foreign carriers in general, the ME3, etc. Delta has a problem in those areas, and the Delta pilots are now behind the industry, and we're going to weigh, privately, the pros and cons of any agreement.
09-28-2016 | 07:52 AM
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Didn't your two competitors hold the line with scope while getting higher pay rates than you have recently? Haven't contracted pilots at DCI been flying as many departures as you for a good chunk of the last 15 years at a fraction of the pay rate because scope was sold so badly and main line jobs didn't exist for the last decade plus? Who is doing the heavy lifting again?
50 seaters are done regardless. Pay attention.
You sound like Ed Bastian or Moak himself.
50 seaters are done regardless. Pay attention.
You sound like Ed Bastian or Moak himself.
09-28-2016 | 07:57 AM
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The deal we might get, if similar to C2012, shrinks regional flying.
09-28-2016 | 07:59 AM
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Regional flying is already shrinking. If Sink and Mr Bond get their way, it will shrink less!
It's amazing what some are willing to overlook in their desperation for any deal with "eye-watering industry standard 777 rates"
It's amazing what some are willing to overlook in their desperation for any deal with "eye-watering industry standard 777 rates"
09-28-2016 | 08:01 AM
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09-28-2016 | 08:07 AM
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The type of deal being rumored is good for Delta and DCI pilots:
-less DCI block hours
-more mainline block hours
-improve and lock in the ratios
-protect the Delta pilots
-more pay for Delta pilots
-more pay for DCI pilots
It doesn't include any new types, and it doesn't deprive Delta pilots of flying we want to do.
If similar to 2012, it's been effective and popular. Yes, it codifies things that management PROBABLY wanted to do anyway, so they win too, but it unlocks vlaue for all, and it provides contractual protections.
The industry has bigger scope problems, especially on the WB end, plus licensing, foreign carriers in general, the ME3, etc. Delta has a problem in those areas, and the Delta pilots are now behind the industry, and we're going to weigh, privately, the pros and cons of any agreement.
-less DCI block hours
-more mainline block hours
-improve and lock in the ratios
-protect the Delta pilots
-more pay for Delta pilots
-more pay for DCI pilots
It doesn't include any new types, and it doesn't deprive Delta pilots of flying we want to do.
If similar to 2012, it's been effective and popular. Yes, it codifies things that management PROBABLY wanted to do anyway, so they win too, but it unlocks vlaue for all, and it provides contractual protections.
The industry has bigger scope problems, especially on the WB end, plus licensing, foreign carriers in general, the ME3, etc. Delta has a problem in those areas, and the Delta pilots are now behind the industry, and we're going to weigh, privately, the pros and cons of any agreement.
We should get 15% more on top of the 18% to add this scope give and AIP gives. Thats if they do not touch PS. I still might vote NO for what I'm posting. I'm sick of ALPA giving up concessions in this money making environment. The company needs to pay us for all the hiring they are doing and will continue to do. We do not need these AIPs/QOL gives.
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