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Check Essential 10-08-2016 05:37 PM
The money's there but man, did we surrender on top end scope or what?
Ouch.
The company bent us over and didn't even bother with the Vaseline.

Section 1 is going to be hard sell to the young guys around here.

Schwanker 10-08-2016 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Dharma (Post 2219669)
The downloaded .pdf had ******as the author in the properties.
So it is authentic? If so, I guess they better come up with some convincing talking points to sell this thing. If people truly believe section 1 is the most important section in the contract, this is horrific! All concessions!

Our fleet is already a pittance of UAL/AMR. Our answer is to allow management to dilute it even more?:confused:

At least the pilots at our JV partners will like this.

Banzai 10-08-2016 05:47 PM
Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis (Post 2219646)

Whoever leaked this prior to MEC review wants a mob and does not want a measured examination of the good and not so good of the TA that might lead to a ratifcation. I can only assume they want it to fail and are afraid that on examination it stands up on its own merits.
Technically, if that was the real TA leaked, then putting it out there IS allowing it to stand on its own merits.

Leaking it is poor form, but nothing allows examination like the entire document. That's a better test of the merits than some filtered summaries.

Valar Morghulis 10-08-2016 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2219661)
Who leaked the pay rates in the other thread titled "Possible TA?" taking a poll of "who'd vote to ratify this"?
Leaked? Uh, it was started the week before the MEC redirected.

sailingfun 10-09-2016 03:30 AM
Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 2219685)
The money's there but man, did we surrender on top end scope or what?
Ouch.
The company bent us over and didn't even bother with the Vaseline.

Section 1 is going to be hard sell to the young guys around here.
Can you post what was given up and the overall package?

Jughead135 10-09-2016 07:43 AM
Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 2219286)
Maybe it wasn't the actual TA? I don't know....
(quoting Abouttime2fish only because his was the first post in this thread [i.e., the #2 post :D] to raise this possibility; many others have said/questioned the same thing)


FWIW... A C81 Rep on ChitChat has tacitly confirmed that this leaked copy is, indeed, the "real" TA. Also confirmed "official" release expected next week.

Hawaii50 10-09-2016 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2219402)
I can agree with most of this, but you must realize the negotiators are going to put their pro spin on this as this is their product. Not a neutral source for balanced information.
There will be a pro con paper. Your man can write the con, although if what's in this thread is true he should be ridden out of town for utter disregard of the MEC rules and working against the pilot group well before that.

Schwanker 10-09-2016 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2219938)
There will be a pro con paper. Your man can write the con, although if what's in this thread is true he should be ridden out of town for utter disregard of the MEC rules and working against the pilot group well before that.
My man? And whom would that be?

I am in favor of all the facts and only the facts presented to the pilot group. No agenda. No secrets. Nothing included or excluded in an effort to dishonestly manipulate the outcome of this TA.

The last admin/blackshirts were incapable of such honesty. Hopefully it's different this go.


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