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Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2220712)

Actually, I don't have a huge issue with the concept of pulling trips from open time except for one thing.....the ability to pull before the PCA run is bull**** and completely unsat. In fact any trip should have to go through a full day of PCS runs (4 PCS runs) before OE planners can pull it.

yeah, my only beef with it is that they can be pulled between PCS runs before a pilot gets a shot at it.

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2220711)

Not really an inaccuracy, but maybe you left something out. Isn't there also a time limit that the trip has to be assigned or it goes back into the pot?

I thought I heard or read somewhere that the company has 48 hours once they pull a trip to schedule an OE or the trip returns to open time - is this true?

Scoop :confused:

You have a point. It is a challenge to distill all the red ink into bullet points without either a) completely re-writing the language or b) leaving something out. The pro/con (actually subjective in this instance) bullet point directs you to the language because it's an entire page of red ink:

http://www.taprocon.com/#/section-23

I believe you are referring to 23.M.4.b which covers a trip that is open in both seats (no A or B). The TA says they can pull that trip for OE, but they have to return it to Open Time if they haven't assigned an LCP within 2 days.

Here is the excerpt:

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A rotation that is unassigned to any pilot and, in the opinion of the Company, is suitable for conducting OE may be removed from open time at any time after adjusted lines are made available for viewing in DBMS. Such rotation will be immediately returned to open time if no LCP has been assigned the rotation by 2359E on the second full business day following its removal from open time (e.g., a rotation removed at 1200E on Tuesday would be returned no later than 2359E on Thursday).

Who is this TAprocon entity?

Is it a function of the MEC Social Media Liaison, or some self-initiated thing?

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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 2220731)

Who is this TAprocon entity?

Is it a function of the MEC Social Media Liaison, or some self-initiated thing?

He/she said that they were getting FPL to post here, so I assume they are posting on behalf of the MEC.

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Originally Posted by SDFcardinals (Post 2220735)

He/she said that they were getting FPL to post here, so I assume they are posting on behalf of the MEC.

I cant find that in any of his/her posts. Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 2220771)

I cant find that in any of his/her posts. Just curious.

You are correct, my apologies. It was a different user who said that they were posting here while on FPL. I confused the two. Sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by SDFcardinals (Post 2220735)

He/she said that they were getting FPL to post here, so I assume they are posting on behalf of the MEC.

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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 2220771)

I cant find that in any of his/her posts. Just curious.

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Originally Posted by SDFcardinals (Post 2220799)

You are correct, my apologies. It was a different user who said that they were posting here while on FPL. I confused the two. Sorry about that.

Thank you for the correction. For the record, nobody working on this site is on FPL. With that out of the way, the what is more important than the who

The criteria for categorizing a pro/con is clearly laid out on the site:
If a change does not easily fit into the pro or con column, it is listed as subjective to note that a change was made vs the Current PWA. The visitor must then draw his own conclusions. References and source language are provided wherever possible

There is no agenda other than the objective truth. The TA will live or die on its own merit, as it should

My big question about the new LCA trip pulls is who is going to monitor this and make sure they do not pull more trips than allowed(especially after the 25th of current month going thru the end of the next month)? I think I know the answer. Nobody. Also, I wonder how many LCA will trade their current trip to pick up a trip in open time for IOE. You know the company will be strongly encouraging them to do this.

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Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2221029)

What stops that under the current contract?

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Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2221029)

More than likely the union will monitor the trip pull. As far as the LCA trade you mention, I don't get your point. Isn't that like a swap with the pot? There would still be a trip in open time in your scenario. Albeit a different one.

Denny