No concessions. Period. The more the lights are turned up on this pos the uglier it gets. Kind of like closing time at the bar.....

You talking about Jerry's campaign to sink the TA, or the TA itself?

I disagree. It's still probably going to be my first yes vote.

I will be glad to have that conversation with them and since we sat in some of the same briefings, I can provide them with references to the various data points briefed in open and closed session. They all know ho to reach me.

Here I discussed the public data and conclusions on potential loss of seat progression.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2221844-post4.html

(I agree there will be no "job loss" but think there is a cost to us in terms of progression. You & I feel the same about that, BTW).

For the record, I fought this outcome harder than anyone. Had the company been in compliance we would not have to take a concession to get an agreement. First, I documented the company noncompliance. Second, I fought two administrations on proactively engaging Delta management to seek compliance. When unable to convince my superiors that the Scope Compliance Chairman should be in the meeting necessitated by scope language in our contract I lobbied my Reps and got the change instituted into the MEC Policy Manual by a 19-0 vote.

All that having been stated, I can look at the scope section holistically and see that the Virgin language adds more jobs than this one change takes away. We now count Virgin's new operating certificate and anything else they might dream up (or have control over). Virgin has already started one off-certificate operation and is looking to set up a company to compete more directly with Norwegian. Given that our ratio with Virgin is 2 to 1 and we get two widebodies out of their growth, it is important to capture every bit of flying that is on the Virgin side of that equation.

The new 1 E. 9. language protecting our brand is absolutely critical! Damn glad we've got that BEFORE the company turns on its metal neutral JV with Aeromexico.

From the MEC brief yesterday in Washington:

Slide showing total headcount change. 2017: -8, 2018: -8, 2019: +14. Increase attributable to the change in vacation credit (first two weeks to 3:45/day) in 2019.

Net -2 pilot jobs over the life of the agreement.

Pretty much a wash.