Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2230773)

Guys, it's about time. All I can say is that, yes while our pay may have been temporarily higher than others, our work rules have always lagged behind UAL and DAL. APA has long been broken beyond repair and management long ago figured out how to take advantage of that - starting with the B scale sellout in the '80s.

To the United pilot who commented above (Probe) - you couldn't be more mistaken. Had AA pilots been ALPA, we wouldn't have taken it in the shorts all these years, and especially this last JCBA where we are still working under BK work rules while the company is taking in billions.

Here's how bad AA plays APA: we asked for significant work rule improvements for our JCBA and were told they couldn't afford it. Then, Kirby leaves AA for UA and management slips him a cool $13 million just to pacify him. That $13 million could have gone towards our non existent hotel language or our non existent min calendar day.

Bottom line is that APA gets played like a fiddle every contract cycle. We have NEVER had a true industry leading contract.

It's time for ALPA. Our joining would not only greatly strengthen ALPA, but dues would probably also come down, and there would be one more legacy pilot group joined in membership off of which to pattern bargain from.

The world's largest airline pilot group should not be represented by a broken, ineffective in house boys club. We need a global and powerful union.

Bring it on.

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2230848)

Seems pretty obvious the best way to kill threats to our jobs and bring the profession to where it should be is to have as many airline pilots on the same page working together as possible.

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2230848)

Seems pretty obvious the best way to kill threats to our jobs and bring the profession to where it should be is to have as many airline pilots on the same page working together as possible.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2230849)

If only...

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2230926)

How will you vote on our agreement again? Exactly. If only....

Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 2230893)

Absolutely true. And AA coming back to ALPA can only help the profession, as ALPA will become that much stronger.

Originally Posted by ClimbClimbNow (Post 2230692)

> Getting them on board could be a catalyst for a significant dues reduction

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 2230962)

The monster up in Herndon needs to be brought under control.
Whoever can do that will be a hero to all airline pilots.

Way too much of our dues money goes to lawyers and useless bureaucrats.

We need to starve the beast.
Lower our dues to 1% and make ALPA National live with it.