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Tony Nelson 12-06-2016 05:09 AM

Any chance someone can post your new rates in the Airline Profiles section of this site?

TED74 12-06-2016 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Tony Nelson (Post 2256810)
Any chance someone can post your new rates in the Airline Profiles section of this site?

Just go to taprocon.com

newKnow 12-06-2016 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2256758)
There is zero comparison with flight attendants and pilot VB's. I am surprised anyone knowing the differences would try and make that comparison. First the flight attendants can fly any equipment and any position. Second they are required to find a replacement if they sick out. If their number of sick calls is deemed excessive they are removed from the base. Third FAR's basically don't apply to FA's. The company has far more options to replace or even go one short in the event of a sick call then pilots.
All rotations for pilots are built by Carmine. Both the union and company ran numerous simulations using the last 12 months flying schedule giving carmine the latitude to place pilot bases anywhere she liked. The results were underwhelming. Keep in mind that small bases are inheritanly inefficient for pilots with reserve rules. Any reduction in credit has to be greater then required extra reserves.

So, you're saying you know for certain how the company is going to set up the VB's? Because, if you notice in my post, I admitted that I was just guessing.

It seems to me that the most likely place's they will put VB's are cities where there are lots of overnights/flights for a specific airplane and a lot of pilots who fly that airplane who live there.

It's not like they aren't paying attention. Don't you remember that chart/map the company put out a few years ago that showed where NYC base pilots commuted from?


Like I said though, it's just a guess.


But, since you seem to know what they are and aren't going to do, what are they going to do? :o

sailingfun 12-06-2016 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2257119)
So, you're saying you know for certain how the company is going to set up the VB's? Because, if you notice in my post, I admitted that I was just guessing.

It seems to me that the most likely place's they will put VB's are cities where there are lots of overnights/flights for a specific airplane and a lot of pilots who fly that airplane who live there. Like I said, it's just a guess.


But, since you seem to know what they are and aren't going to do, what are they going to do? :o

There is no cost savings to put a VB into a city with lots of flights unless they generate credit. A city with lots of flights generally gives the company plenty of options to schedule with minimal credit. In the simulations they ran the two cities mentioned as saving some cost were MCO and SFO.
What I am really saying is like nearly every forum crises this will turn out to be almost a non issue. If it is a issue we pull it down.

newKnow 12-06-2016 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2257130)
There is no cost savings to put a VB into a city with lots of flights unless they generate credit. A city with lots of flights generally gives the company plenty of options to schedule with minimal credit. In the simulations they ran the two cities mentioned as saving some cost were MCO and SFO.
What I am really saying is like nearly every forum crises this will turn out to be almost a non issue. If it is a issue we pull it down.

Would it make more sense if they put a VB in a city where a lot of commuting pilots lived?

gloopy 12-06-2016 01:21 PM

So they're reporting that the AS/VX deal is approved pending the pulldown of the AA code share. Nothing was mentioned about the DL code share. That's very interesting.

sailingfun 12-06-2016 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 2257171)
Would it make more sense if they put a VB in a city where a lot of commuting pilots lived?

I think they only care about cost. They could care less about QOL improvements for commuters. The only way it comes into play is if they are concerned there will not be enough bidders.

gloopy 12-06-2016 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2257228)
I think they only care about cost. They could care less about QOL improvements for commuters. The only way it comes into play is if they are concerned there will not be enough bidders.

Or if they wanted to try and operate it with an unrealistic number of reserves based on the enthusiasm factor. You know, since sooooo many sick calls aren't legit, etc.

Hey DFW guys, y'all got a really nice VB going on here. Be a shame if anything were to happen to it...

notEnuf 12-06-2016 01:31 PM

Hey commuters, before bidding a new VB bid to ATL so the bid package time comes out of that base. ATL has the most commuters anyway. You will have a better variety of trips to chose from if everyone bids ATL first. :p

newKnow 12-06-2016 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2257228)
I think they only care about cost. They could care less about QOL improvements for commuters. The only way it comes into play is if they are concerned there will not be enough bidders.

Do you think it's possible they could reduce the amount of sick calls if they were to put a VB where a lot of pilots live?


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