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Shadre Reevis 12-14-2017 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Camel Dancer (Post 2483137)
Hi Guys
Not sure if this is the right thread for this question but I'm curious about upgrades. I understand how they will be offered by seniority, but If I come in to the company with 1000 hours of jet PIC time already would that make me eligible for upgrade sooner and how would that work?
thanks

Depends on where that jet PIC is from... You need to be more specific.

Camel Dancer 12-14-2017 04:37 AM

The jet PIC is under part 135, but what I read in 121.436 you could also qualify time under part 91 as long as it was PIC. Either way I have that covered. I'm just curious how the company would determine it?
thanks

Shadre Reevis 12-14-2017 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by Camel Dancer (Post 2483144)
The jet PIC is under part 135, but what I read in 121.436 you could also qualify time under part 91 as long as it was PIC. Either way I have that covered. I'm just curious how the company would determine it?
thanks

Assuming the hours you have satisfy 121.436, the company will first try to fill the upgrades using their own requirements (2500 tt, 1000 at company). If there aren't enough people that meet their requirements, they will lower the requirements until they can fill all the slots. Of course they cannot lower them below the FAR requirements.

That being said, there are people hired in November with 0 company hours that have already been awarded captain.

PilotMechanic 12-14-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Camel Dancer (Post 2483144)
The jet PIC is under part 135, but what I read in 121.436 you could also qualify time under part 91 as long as it was PIC. Either way I have that covered. I'm just curious how the company would determine it?
thanks

135 Jet PIC, 10 passenger seats or more. Or Fractional share, it spells it out in the FARs.

Camel Dancer 12-14-2017 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Shadre Reevis (Post 2483152)
Assuming the hours you have satisfy 121.436, the company will first try to fill the upgrades using their own requirements (2500 tt, 1000 at company). If there aren't enough people that meet their requirements, they will lower the requirements until they can fill all the slots. Of course they cannot lower them below the FAR requirements.

That being said, there are people hired in November with 0 company hours that have already been awarded captain.

Thank You, that answered my question

E6BAV8R 12-14-2017 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Camel Dancer (Post 2483144)
The jet PIC is under part 135, but what I read in 121.436 you could also qualify time under part 91 as long as it was PIC. Either way I have that covered. I'm just curious how the company would determine it?
thanks

You would still need 1000 hours with the company, unless they decide to lower it for you.

Casualinterest 12-14-2017 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by E6BAV8R (Post 2483185)
You would still need 1000 hours with the company, unless they decide to lower it for you.

Which they've been doing regularly

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HighFlight 12-14-2017 07:54 AM

You woul upgrade as soon as your seniority and company time allow. 1,000 company time and 2,500 total time are also required (in addition to the 121 time), but are waivable down if they need CAs and not enough people have those hours. Have seen company time go down to 217 on the 200.

So if you start today, everyone on the list ahead of you are more senior, but may not have the 121, so you’d upgrade before them as soon as you met the minimum company/total time. Which means you’d be on reserve for a very long time because as those more senior to you catch up on their 121 time, they will upgrade and push you down the list.


Originally Posted by Camel Dancer (Post 2483137)
Hi Guys
Not sure if this is the right thread for this question but I'm curious about upgrades. I understand how they will be offered by seniority, but If I come in to the company with 1000 hours of jet PIC time already would that make me eligible for upgrade sooner and how would that work?
thanks


Shadre Reevis 12-14-2017 08:00 AM

It is down to 0 on the 200.

web500sjc 12-14-2017 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2483269)
Have seen company time go down to 217 on the 200.

The 217 company time on the last award is based off a pilot getting 75 hours a month from the moment the award is final til the midpoint of all the upgrade class start dates in that award.... the mid point of the classes is 2.89 months from the date the Award went final... 75 hours a month over 2.89 months makes 217 hours.


the 217 hours in 17-05 basically means 0 company time at the point where the award was final.


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