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Bartok 04-20-2018 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 2576655)
Not something I want to go through here....

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Trust me I don’t either.

But DOH would right some wrongs from the last Bloch party if we have to.

Avrogod 04-20-2018 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 2576672)
Trust me I don’t either.

But DOH would right some wrongs from the last Bloch party if we have to.

Actually it wouldn't right those wrongs because you cant reorder a seniority list when you merge it with another seniority list.

KelvinHelmholtz 04-20-2018 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Avrogod (Post 2576694)
Actually it wouldn't right those wrongs because you cant reorder a seniority list when you merge it with another seniority list.

Actually you can but it would require the Bloch award to be thrown out like the Nicolau award was when US Airways and AA merged. I don’t see that happening since by most accounts the Bloch award would be considered fair and equitable under ALPA merger policy and McCaskill-Bond

Bartok 04-20-2018 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Avrogod (Post 2576694)
Actually it wouldn't right those wrongs because you cant reorder a seniority list when you merge it with another seniority list.

I can dream

1337pilot 04-21-2018 11:17 AM

Some of these rumors are great. I'm no DL chode licker, but to those saying they're gonna sell us to some bottom feeder, yeah it really makes sense if you think about it. :rolleyes:
They're still in the process of spending a bunch of money to fix up the pieces of sh1t we got from XJT, our flights are actually mostly on time depending on the amount of interaction they may have with NYC, and not a whole lot is usually broken. Increased hourly rates, standby pass priority improvements, etc. Now could things get better, of course, but if they were getting ready to get rid of us in the near future do you really they'd still be spending all the money time and effort they've been putting into EDV. And even if they did sell us, and our "industry leading pay" went away what do you think would happen when everyone from the middle of the seniority list with 1000 hours and about 25-30ish years old with a couple years at the company went somewhere else that's also hurting for captains and at least offers a flow with the comparative low pay.
But yeah maybe we'll be sold to Spirit and operate the CSeries or E2s they're gonna order for $30/h, and DL is just going to forget all their CRJ-900/700 flying they do or bring XJT back because they do so well with their constantly broken airplanes:rolleyes:

gojo 04-21-2018 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by 1337pilot (Post 2577250)
Some of these rumors are great. I'm no DL chode licker, but to those saying they're gonna sell us to some bottom feeder, yeah it really makes sense if you think about it. :rolleyes:
They're still in the process of spending a bunch of money to fix up the pieces of sh1t we got from XJT, our flights are actually mostly on time depending on the amount of interaction they may have with NYC, and not a whole lot is usually broken. Increased hourly rates, standby pass priority improvements, etc. Now could things get better, of course, but if they were getting ready to get rid of us in the near future do you really they'd still be spending all the money time and effort they've been putting into EDV. And even if they did sell us, and our "industry leading pay" went away what do you think would happen when everyone from the middle of the seniority list with 1000 hours and about 25-30ish years old with a couple years at the company went somewhere else that's also hurting for captains and at least offers a flow with the comparative low pay.
But yeah maybe we'll be sold to Spirit and operate the CSeries or E2s they're gonna order for $30/h, and DL is just going to forget all their CRJ-900/700 flying they do or bring XJT back because they do so well with their constantly broken airplanes:rolleyes:

The condition of the ExpressJet planes should be correlated with Skywest.

1337pilot 04-21-2018 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2577259)
The condition of the ExpressJet planes should be correlated with Skywest.

Skywest let them go that way so DL would do exactly what DL did, end the XJT contract. Skywest wants to get rid of XJT because XJT has a union which Skywest is very against. I'm sure they offered all the XJT pilots a nice spot right at the bottom of their seniority list.

gojo 04-21-2018 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by 1337pilot (Post 2577284)
Skywest let them go that way so DL would do exactly what DL did, end the XJT contract. Skywest wants to get rid of XJT because XJT has a union which Skywest is very against. I'm sure they offered all the XJT pilots a nice spot right at the bottom of their seniority list.

Oh I’m fully aware of the chain of events since Skywest purchased ASA. It was all about market share. Even now they’re coming out ahead with a bunch of new E170 somethings in exchange for a bunch of those 700’s. I just get a little frustrated when people say ExpressJet sucks or their planes are junk. They ran a pretty good airline before Skywest got a hold of them. And if Skywest pilots had any kahunas and realalzed their self worth the gap between the two groups would probably have been negligible. I guess if I owned two companies and one company *****d themselves out for say 25% less (just throwing a number out) I’d probably do the same thing.

1337pilot 04-21-2018 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2577299)
Oh I’m fully aware of the chain of events since Skywest purchased ASA. It was all about market share. Even now they’re coming out ahead with a bunch of new E170 somethings in exchange for a bunch of those 700’s. I just get a little frustrated when people say ExpressJet sucks or their planes are junk. They ran a pretty good airline before Skywest got a hold of them. And if Skywest pilots had any kahunas and realalzed their self worth the gap between the two groups would probably have been negligible. I guess if I owned two companies and one company *****d themselves out for say 25% less (just throwing a number out) I’d probably do the same thing.

Yeah, you're right, its not really their fault. I think ALPA has tried to go to Skywest but the pilots said no in the past. Pilots are our own worst enemy, we could still be making a lot more even here. But there's too many people in the profession at least at the regional level that as best I can describe it are against getting paid, which I don't understand. Yes if we simply demand we not only will get our shiny jet but we can also get paid a lot to fly it as we should. I guess when you graduate from ERAU you don't care about making money, however, at somepoint reality has to set in, but when you set the standard at basically working for free for so long its hard to change it.

Anyway, make sure you wear your hat and make them gate announcements every 5 minutes on the dot.

KSCessnaDriver 04-21-2018 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by 1337pilot (Post 2577284)
Skywest let them go that way so DL would do exactly what DL did, end the XJT contract. Skywest wants to get rid of XJT because XJT has a union which Skywest is very against. I'm sure they offered all the XJT pilots a nice spot right at the bottom of their seniority list.

Except it didn't end the way that OO wanted it to. They had no intention of letting a single plane leave the INC umbrella, just switching operators.


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