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TalkTurkey 05-10-2018 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by saab340driver (Post 2588278)
Yes...long term plan. Any regional carrier that is operating non Delta flights compromise the brand. Delta wants loyalty long term and will see that through in phases throughout the next couple years. In the end, 9E will operate all "regional" flying for Delta, which in turn, will provide a "seamless" experience for their loyal passengers.

I'm sorry, but there is nothing factual about this long-term plan. Delta doesn't want loyalty. That's an opinion. No plan and no filing suggests that 9E will do all regional flying. That's pure conjecture, and I'm certainly in the know.

TalkTurkey 05-10-2018 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by N1234 (Post 2588455)
DL just awarded 30 E175SC to OO - that is a 12 year contract. Why would they do that if they want one regional?

They did this because OO purchased the planes with options for more. This represents a massive cost saving for DL as OO does their own finance and mx for wet fee from DL. To respect the DL pilots (CBA2015), OO will park their EV-tailed 700s upon receipt of SCs.

HighFlight 05-10-2018 09:55 PM

That’s bold, even by APC standards. :D


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2591099)
I'm sorry, but there is nothing factual about this long-term plan. Delta doesn't want loyalty. That's an opinion. No plan and no filing suggests that 9E will do all regional flying. That's pure conjecture, and I'm certainly in the know.


msprj2 05-11-2018 04:26 AM

Interesting numbers from our COO’s email. He states hiring only 20 pilots a month to cover attrition. From Alpa emails our attrition is around 30 a month. That’s a net loss of 10+ pilots every month. I don’t see any short term growth here.

KSCessnaDriver 05-11-2018 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2591415)
Interesting numbers from our COO’s email. He states hiring only 20 pilots a month to cover attrition. From Alpa emails our attrition is around 30 a month. That’s a net loss of 10+ pilots every month. I don’t see any short term growth here.

30 a month includes SSP attrition that is basically now over. That was ~16/month that’s now done

flydiamond 05-11-2018 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2591415)
Interesting numbers from our COO’s email. He states hiring only 20 pilots a month to cover attrition. From Alpa emails our attrition is around 30 a month. That’s a net loss of 10+ pilots every month. I don’t see any short term growth here.

My belief is they’re trying to adjust for the overstaffing on the FO side. The latest seniority list which was broken down by position by one or our pilots shows 400 pilots on just NYC 900 fo (accounting for 18-02 movement) and if they got by with 200 lines for May, they probably only need 300 pilots total to staff summer including reserves. Assuming 50 of those ny 900 pilots will still be in training or on leaves, we’re overstaffed by like 50 in just one seat / base.

All those months of hiring 30 over attrition for a net growth of just 16 planes caught up to them.

Also , since DGi *interviews* won’t start until September while the last SSP guys leave in June, there will probably be several months (July through probably November) where our attrition is lower than 30-35.

Mesabah 05-11-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2591415)
Interesting numbers from our COO’s email. He states hiring only 20 pilots a month to cover attrition. From Alpa emails our attrition is around 30 a month. That’s a net loss of 10+ pilots every month. I don’t see any short term growth here.

That may be because Delta is about to announce its University pathway program that has been in the works for years.

msprj2 05-11-2018 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2591510)
That may be because Delta is about to announce its University pathway program that has been in the works for years.

Doesn't that take four years or is there a new AA 2 year plan in the works?

DL31082 05-11-2018 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2591102)
They did this because OO purchased the planes with options for more. This represents a massive cost saving for DL as OO does their own finance and mx for wet fee from DL. To respect the DL pilots (CBA2015), OO will park their EV-tailed 700s upon receipt of SCs.

Nope. The 175SCs are a replacement for the 30 XJT 700s that are being taken out of service. OO isn’t taking any of their 700s out of service.

Excargodog 05-11-2018 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2591350)
That’s bold, even by APC standards. :D


Seems about par for the course to me...;)


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