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Old 04-26-2018 | 06:41 PM
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FOM 5-10 says we need to get all other commercial flying approved in writing - does that mean with can't instruct for pay?
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Old 04-26-2018 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by flywithjohn
FOM 5-10 says we need to get all other commercial flying approved in writing - does that mean with can't instruct for pay?
Correct. The instructing provision was taken out a while back.

With our new rates, you can make more on a reserve pickup than any instructional flying.
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Old 04-27-2018 | 05:39 AM
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Correct. The instructing provision was taken out a while back.

With our new rates, you can make more on a reserve pickup than any instructional flying.
Didn't know it was removed, shows how often I use my CFI. Guess I will need to reach out to Tower C - not doing it for the money, mostly to keep a foot in GA and help out some friends. Thanks for the information.
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Old 04-27-2018 | 07:12 AM
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Didn't know it was removed, shows how often I use my CFI. Guess I will need to reach out to Tower C - not doing it for the money, mostly to keep a foot in GA and help out some friends. Thanks for the information.
Ask the base chief pilot . I was approved to instruct at home about a year and a half ago. Flight instruction from the Feds perspective does not count towards 117 time. The company may look at it differently though.
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Old 04-27-2018 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flywithjohn
Didn't know it was removed, shows how often I use my CFI. Guess I will need to reach out to Tower C - not doing it for the money, mostly to keep a foot in GA and help out some friends. Thanks for the information.

If you aren’t being compensated then you aren’t technically doing commercial flying and are okay to instruct.
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Old 04-28-2018 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
If you aren’t being compensated then you aren’t technically doing commercial flying and are okay to instruct.
Is logging flight time considered compensation?
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Old 04-29-2018 | 03:24 AM
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Is logging flight time considered compensation?
Yes, the FAA has ruled that is the case. That's why travel must be "incidental" You can't advertise even free flights with out an air carrier certificate, unless you were already going to make that flight for your own reason besides flight time.

The FAA has ruled that a CFI instructing is being compensated based on their CFI not their commercial certificate, which is why a CFI need only a 3rd class medical ( or none if the other pilot is current and qualified for the flight and acts as PIC ) But that CFI is indeed still being compensated as a pilot.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
Yes, the FAA has ruled that is the case. That's why travel must be "incidental" You can't advertise even free flights with out an air carrier certificate, unless you were already going to make that flight for your own reason besides flight time.

The FAA has ruled that a CFI instructing is being compensated based on their CFI not their commercial certificate, which is why a CFI need only a 3rd class medical ( or none if the other pilot is current and qualified for the flight and acts as PIC ) But that CFI is indeed still being compensated as a pilot.
I think that ruling applies to a CFI being paid, not a CFI volunteering time on his side, and that certainly doesn't mean that is what the company means.

In any case though, just talk to your base chief pilot, it should be a non-issue.
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Old 04-29-2018 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I think that ruling applies to a CFI being paid, not a CFI volunteering time on his side, and that certainly doesn't mean that is what the company means.

In any case though, just talk to your base chief pilot, it should be a non-issue.
True, I guess I was kind of lumping 2 things in one post and still not addressing the original issue of company approval too... Even flight instruction now needs approval from the company per company policy ( it explicitly didn't in the past ) so yes you'd best get at least a base chief pilot written approval to give any CFI (paid or unpaid) time even if it's for your own family. Just CYA before hand, it's easier that way.
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