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CBreezy 06-01-2018 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2606532)
I heard a rumor Delta is taking the summer off from initial pilot classes. Might be why we are only hiring 20/month. Reduced attrition.

Not a rumor. Friend of mine had his July class cancelled and moved to Sept

WhiskeyDelta 06-01-2018 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2606532)
I heard a rumor Delta is taking the summer off from initial pilot classes. Might be why we are only hiring 20/month. Reduced attrition.


July and August classes were cancelled/postponed.

UNDGUY 06-01-2018 04:20 AM

First off, if this is even true, why would you want to come back to an employer that is being legally strong armed to take you back? Second, if you want to stay in the game there are other carriers that would be happy to have you. Go interview and tell them you screwed up and explain how it will help you the next time around. I know a guy thats on his third airline in 7 months. They are desperate and they know that the training you got at your first failure will help you on the second go around. Don't be discouraged. Study harder, practice more and you should be fine. I would recommend going to an airline that flies whatever type you did your first training on so you already have that leg up. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

Cyio 06-01-2018 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2606558)
First off, if this is even true, why would you want to come back to an employer that is being legally strong armed to take you back? Second, if you want to stay in the game there are other carriers that would be happy to have you. Go interview and tell them you screwed up and explain how it will help you the next time around. I know a guy thats on his third airline in 7 months. They are desperate and they know that the training you got at your first failure will help you on the second go around. Don't be discouraged. Study harder, practice more and you should be fine. I would recommend going to an airline that flies whatever type you did your first training on so you already have that leg up. Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

Please inform us all what “third” airline they are at so I can avoid. Not trying to be an ass but really, if you are jumping from employer to employer due to training failures, somethings wrong with the person not the training.

UNDGUY 06-01-2018 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2606647)
Please inform us all what “third” airline they are at so I can avoid. Not trying to be an ass but really, if you are jumping from employer to employer due to training failures, somethings wrong with the person not the training.

Mesa filler

flywithjohn 06-01-2018 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dparisi (Post 2605252)
Trying to confirm if this is a rumor. Has anyone heard of being able to go back to training at 9E after being asked to resign because of being slow in training? (Sim portion) I heard there was a lawsuit filed from some of the pilots that were asked to resign and they were able to return back to work from a jumpseater. Don't know if it is true but would like to know.

That is a rumor - I know for a fact that if you are showing progress and have a good attitude you could end up with twice as many sims as the curriculum has, but they are not giving you the option to resign.
Again it’s based very much on your attitude and signs of progress.

Casualinterest 06-02-2018 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by flywithjohn (Post 2607054)
That is a rumor - I know for a fact that if you are showing progress and have a good attitude you could end up with twice as many sims as the curriculum has, but they are not giving you the option to resign.
Again it’s based very much on your attitude and signs of progress.

Just don't fail the tests. They'll 100% ask you to 'be successful elsewhere'.

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hawkman 06-02-2018 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2606513)
I remember this from when I used to work there....

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal...2815/55140/29/

Wow. 79 hours of OE.

ShyGuy 06-05-2018 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkman (Post 2607185)
Wow. 79 hours of OE.

We had some get 100 hrs (or more) OE back in 2006/7. Remember that was before the ATP rule and there were plenty of 250-500 hr guys entering the regionals.

Baradium 06-05-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2609290)
We had some get 100 hrs (or more) OE back in 2006/7. Remember that was before the ATP rule and there were plenty of 250-500 hr guys entering the regionals.

The training department at the time was also not very good. A lot of ground and sim instructors who'd never flown the airplane. Some ground guys weren't even pilots. A fair amount of incorrect habits and procedures given in the simulators.

I remember once in a PC getting debriefed because I didn't fully configure the airplane 25 miles out because that's where we were on localizer and glideslope. "Don't fly the sim as if it was an airplane on the line. The line is the line and the sim is the sim. Fly sim procedures here." It wasn't about training, it was about checking boxes and giving the Memphis mafia their power trip.*

I didn't need extra OE or fail any training events at 9E, but I could easily see how it was set up to happen. I had prior 121 time and it was more set up for expediency than success.


*There were some good instructors but there were a lot who simply enjoyed having your career in their hands. A select few had a lot of pilots get sick when due for events with them.


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