Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2609293)

The training department at the time was also not very good. A lot of ground and sim instructors who'd never flown the airplane. Some ground guys weren't even pilots. A fair amount of incorrect habits and procedures given in the simulators.

I remember once in a PC getting debriefed because I didn't fully configure the airplane 25 miles out because that's where we were on localizer and glideslope. "Don't fly the sim as if it was an airplane on the line. The line is the line and the sim is the sim. Fly sim procedures here." It wasn't about training, it was about checking boxes and giving the Memphis mafia their power trip.*

I didn't need extra OE or fail any training events at 9E, but I could easily see how it was set up to happen. I had prior 121 time and it was more set up for expediency than success.


*There were some good instructors but there were a lot who simply enjoyed having your career in their hands. A select few had a lot of pilots get sick when due for events with them.

Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2609351)

That literally sounds like our ground instructors now. Half of them aren’t even typed in the plane or just hold a private pilot license.

Originally Posted by 42jeff (Post 2609384)

We had one of those for my indoc. Our gensubs instructor was at least working on his cfi as I recall but the observing instructors stl had to step in and correct numerous things. Going into systems by day 3 our instructor was removed by the observers and we had to spend a few hours cleaning things up.

Good times

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2609290)

We had some get 100 hrs (or more) OE back in 2006/7. Remember that was before the ATP rule and there were plenty of 250-500 hr guys entering the regionals.

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2609640)

We have more than just a couple of new hires that have taken 80-100 hours of OE in 2018 alone.

Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 2609391)

Gold standard, eh?