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Casualinterest 08-08-2018 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by teddy3412 (Post 2651367)
I just wish they'd make lcr a 14 hour call-out.

That would be helpful for sure. I'm just watching the writing on the wall, give it a few years and I bet we'll be 70% LCR and 30% short call.

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WesternSkies 08-08-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2651383)
Care to enlighten us or do you prefer to just declare “you’re wrong!” without facts? The guy is looking for information and you’ve provided nothing.

Ha.
You want me to explain oo PBS to a person who has never used AOS PBS? I can’t get people who have actually used the system to understand how it works.
Fact?

Baradium 08-08-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2651428)
Ha.
You want me to explain oo PBS to a person who has never used AOS PBS? I can’t get people who have actually used the system to understand how it works.
Fact?

My guess would be it works like a credit push does in the system 9E uses, just with a notation that tells you that the credit push is why you were given a particular rotation.


That said, you stated there was a better way to explain it but without explaining anything.

Iceberg 08-09-2018 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2651428)
Ha.
You want me to explain oo PBS to a person who has never used AOS PBS? I can’t get people who have actually used the system to understand how it works.
Fact?

Thanks guy, another helpful post. Fact

WesternSkies 08-09-2018 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 2651832)
Thanks guy, another helpful post. Fact

I dissented to third hand information offered on an anonymous forum with first hand knowledge. Sorry I made you cry.
Hope this helps.

Blueskies21 08-09-2018 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2651304)
Either he didn’t know what he was talking about or you miss understood.
CN is a thing, but how you explained it is more incorrect than correct.

He mentioned the tiers of their PBS and I explained our credit push at 9E, it didn't sound like the same thing.

He said his first tier PBS was basically only "these days off" and that the company need trips were pushed into that time.

He also mentioned he tried to swap into trips later in the month and was denied and put trips on the trade board with additional $ for pickup and no takers.

I might have misunderstood but it sounded way worse than our credit push at 9E and if you had to you could probably trade with open time or post additional $ on the trade board and get someone to fly it.

Sounded worse than 9E to me.

WesternSkies 08-09-2018 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 2651938)
He mentioned the tiers of their PBS and I explained our credit push at 9E, it didn't sound like the same thing.

He said his first tier PBS was basically only "these days off" and that the company need trips were pushed into that time.

He also mentioned he tried to swap into trips later in the month and was denied and put trips on the trade board with additional $ for pickup and no takers.

I might have misunderstood but it sounded way worse than our credit push at 9E and if you had to you could probably trade with open time or post additional $ on the trade board and get someone to fly it.

Sounded worse than 9E to me.

I don’t know what a credit push is as we don’t have that. CN’ing is BS yet I can understand why it exists. It also unfortunately blatantly violates seniority. It also stops happening around 25% relative bid seniority. I haven’t been CN’d in years. The “Company need” phrase makes it sound important while in reality the company needs all trips to be covered.
CN is an efficiency function tool of pbs (not company manipulated directly) that might put a legal pilot on a given trip regardless of any pilot whose line is still solving bid preferences. This really starts happening after the system has solved about 40% of the bidders then craps itself trying to get the last 40% full lines in the most efficient way possible. It reduces the number of partial line holders we have each month and reduces the number of pilots we need per plane.

As far as not being able to swap to an open time trip later on in the month is also an issue affecting qol but for all the obvious reasons he should know the answer from CS is going to be no.
Then as far as no other pilots picking up his trip for the $ posted Im guessing he didn’t incentivize enough.

I might be jaded now, I hear a lot of crying from people who are new to the industry. Like nobody told them we work holidays and your sons birthday. “I’m not flying on reserve” “now I can’t get weekends off”

If you (they) can’t hold the day off you need then pony up or call out emergency.

Iceberg 08-10-2018 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2651932)
I dissented to third hand information offered on an anonymous forum with first hand knowledge. Sorry I made you cry.
Hope this helps.

First hand knowledge would be credible if you tried to give any information. Instead you elected to show how much you know by declaring the post wrong and saying nothing else. You could be right, but you gave no backup and then later said you couldn’t even explain it to someone at OO. Seems you’re “firsthand knowledge” is lacking. So no, it didn’t help.

No need to apologize, I care a lot less about what you say than you think I should

Casualinterest 08-14-2018 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2651981)
I don’t know what a credit push is as we don’t have that. CN’ing is BS yet I can understand why it exists. It also unfortunately blatantly violates seniority. It also stops happening around 25% relative bid seniority. I haven’t been CN’d in years. The “Company need” phrase makes it sound important while in reality the company needs all trips to be covered.
CN is an efficiency function tool of pbs (not company manipulated directly) that might put a legal pilot on a given trip regardless of any pilot whose line is still solving bid preferences. This really starts happening after the system has solved about 40% of the bidders then craps itself trying to get the last 40% full lines in the most efficient way possible. It reduces the number of partial line holders we have each month and reduces the number of pilots we need per plane.

As far as not being able to swap to an open time trip later on in the month is also an issue affecting qol but for all the obvious reasons he should know the answer from CS is going to be no.
Then as far as no other pilots picking up his trip for the $ posted Im guessing he didn’t incentivize enough.

I might be jaded now, I hear a lot of crying from people who are new to the industry. Like nobody told them we work holidays and your sons birthday. “I’m not flying on reserve” “now I can’t get weekends off”

If you (they) can’t hold the day off you need then pony up or call out emergency.

Well that all sounds quite awful.


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