Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2761085)

You seem to not understand that the two companies were merged. You don’t merge and retain 100% ownership. Typically ownership percentages are based on the relative size of each company. If you can merge a company with another and retain 100% ownership you are in the wrong business!
The refinery does not save Delta any more at 50 a barrel then 140 a barrel. It’s strickly the amount they can reduce the crack spread which is the same. In the case of Jet Fuel they were seeing about a 7 cent per gallon reduction. The other refineries dropped their crack spread and all the other airlines paid the same for fuel as Delta. They gained nothing.

Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2760945)

Umm... there are a bunch of XJT folks who might disagree with you on that.

We get sold to SGU, we become the next ASA.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2760946)

Do you have any source for what you have printed? It’s interesting that a failing DGS could produce the best operational airline product in the world. How does that hapoen?

Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2761306)

There are some decent DGS stations, but none of them compare to a mainline station, so they in no way have the best operational airline product in the world (impossible unless they are better than the mainline stations). There were some stations that were just horrendous. ORF and RDU at least were two of the worst, although I haven't been to either of those in a while.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2761330)

RIC, XNA (At one point only had 4 total rampies for all day), MHT... the list goes on and on. He must have thought I was talking about the Delta mainline ramp. To try and paint DGS as anything other than a calamity is preposterous. Anyway, someone else is gonna run them now. Even if they get to Simplicity standards that'll be a great improvement. Alert the DTW pilots on APC I just said something nice about Simplicity.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2761359)

Simplicity was good... for about 2 weeks, then it became the same hot garbage as every other operation that has ever been on the B/C concourse since the NW/DL merger.

Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2761301)

As already pointed out, that assertion is quite ignorant. 9E has scope specifically to prevent it so unless you, as 9E pilots, give it up, there is nothing to be concerned about in that area.

Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2761402)

I think this SkyWest buying 9E thing is a bunch of hooey anyway, so I'm not worried. I am curious, though, because I don't see the following in the contract.

What would keep an acquiring company from buying 9E, not merging the lists, and letting operational performance at 9E (like maintenance or OCC-based performance, for recent example) degrade to the point that our flying isn't renewed? Maintenance is as good as the budget will take it, as is starting with enough fuel to make prudent operational decisions off the gate.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2761359)

Simplicity was good... for about 2 weeks, then it became the same hot garbage as every other operation that has ever been on the B/C concourse since the NW/DL merger.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2761420)

Our captains have direct control over that part of the operation. If we don't feel we have enough, pick up the phone and get more. If they won't give it to you (now this is of course within a reasonable context) then you don't sign the release and don't release the brake. Captain 101... FO's are you actually paying attention or just adding up your logbooks? I will say in 14+ years, I've only had to ask for more fuel about a dozen times... most had to do with a former dispatcher nicknamed gerbil.

Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2761402)

I think this SkyWest buying 9E thing is a bunch of hooey anyway, so I'm not worried. I am curious, though, because I don't see the following in the contract.

What would keep an acquiring company from buying 9E, not merging the lists, and letting operational performance at 9E (like maintenance or OCC-based performance, for recent example) degrade to the point that our flying isn't renewed? Maintenance is as good as the budget will take it, as is starting with enough fuel to make prudent operational decisions off the gate.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2761425)

Can you speak for all DTW pilots on a question from a humble NYC pilot: why in the hell does every dtw pilot beam with pride because they got a few more pounds of poop stuffed in the cockpit trash bag? On a whole you guys aren't happy until the trash stands up on its own, and cant be removed from the cockpit without piles of crap falling out of it. Ok, I'll take my answers off air and thanks!

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2761420)

Our captains have direct control over that part of the operation. If we don't feel we have enough, pick up the phone and get more. If they won't give it to you (now this is of course within a reasonable context) then you don't sign the release and don't release the brake. Captain 101... FO's are you actually paying attention or just adding up your logbooks? I will say in 14+ years, I've only had to ask for more fuel about a dozen times... most had to do with a former dispatcher nicknamed gerbil.

Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2761566)

Eh, I know that we don't have a problem with it here right now. Our airline isn't cheap in that department.

Where I was trying to go with this (and I'm done with it after this one) is if some slick management group wanted to buy us, undermine our airline operationally, and ultimately take the flying, then they could do it while still adhering to our contract. Kinda like... y'know, legacy ASA.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2760943)

Argenbright wouldn't pay what delta wanted and no one else would take the failing company. Delta goes from whole owner to stakeholder so DGS doesn't collapse when Argenbright finds out how badly run DGS is. That stake will be reduced over time, and maybe in time Delta the public company will release more information on the transaction. Argen is a private company so I'd guess 3-5 years delta has some small partnership.

You can buy into the flowery language if you want. Delta traded a bad asset and volunteered to keep themselves tied to it, because no one is buying DGS as a viable business. Meanwhile Delta gets to take important airports like RDU and turn them mainline, and I'd expect within 1-3 years Argenbright is running all tsa operations in ATL, DTW and MSP (delta side) and a handful of others.

Bonuses, we lose DGS and a private firm fixes some of the nonsense, and possibly the blue badge wearing smurfs get unloaded for something less badly run at a couple key airports. Worse case, Argenbright does what they are most famous for. What's the worse that could happen?

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2761600)

I miss the skinny Santa Claus looking mainline marshaller in KPIT. All fired and replaced with DGS. Those guys had 30 + years

Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2761402)

I think this SkyWest buying 9E thing is a bunch of hooey anyway, so I'm not worried. I am curious, though, because I don't see the following in the contract.

What would keep an acquiring company from buying 9E, not merging the lists, and letting operational performance at 9E (like maintenance or OCC-based performance, for recent example) degrade to the point that our flying isn't renewed? Maintenance is as good as the budget will take it, as is starting with enough fuel to make prudent operational decisions off the gate.

Originally Posted by Dingus (Post 2757505)

Recent events are showing that Delta Air Lines wants to limit its liability. The sale of Delta Global Services shows us this. All they're getting from owning their own regional, Endeavor Air, is more liability. SkyWest offers them a better product with no union costs, better fuel economy at 250 knots, and more calls for ride reports and ramp access requests on 121.5. I think it's likely that they're in talks to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest at this very moment. It could be L-ASA/ExpressJet all over again around here.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2762239)

Complete nonsense.

Delta runs a near perfect operation with little to no cancellations.

Skywest is one of the most vulnerable regionals. Their no union and poor pay means they will have trouble staffing. All legacy carriers contracts with regionals have “performance” in them.

Endeavor will be just fine by themselves and the last DCI to go.

Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2762235)

The scope at 9E prevents that. Lists have to be merged if 9E changes ownership. SkyWest won't buy any carrier with that requirement.

Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2762665)

What am I missing?

Originally Posted by savedbythevnav (Post 2762809)

You're missing the part where you get a free turkey coupon. Doesn't that make it all worthwhile?

Originally Posted by JonPilot (Post 2771908)

We'll just keep reporting light chop.

Originally Posted by JonPilot (Post 2771908)

We'll just keep reporting light chop.

Originally Posted by 10NSKC (Post 4031343)

SKW has all these orders inline for production for the e175. 9E has none that I know of and deliveries would be years away behind OO deliveries. 9e was distraught that OO got Mesas crap crj9s, which a few were scrap and corroding but good to part out to sustain the OO crj9 op. Where was 9e. Too late to the show. Can't fly the crj7/9 consistently when it's hard to find parts. No orders for the future. Its only time, OO will be flying only the Erj and slowly phasing out the crjs with 9e equip and parts. Its coming.Skywest is always thinking 10 years ahead of the game folks. Peace out

Originally Posted by Forbidden Gatorade (Post 4031993)

I don’t know why I’m replying to a 7 year old revived thread but why would Delta want to sell their only wholly owned carrier? They’d be at the mercy of SkyWest and Republic driving up whatever contract they have with them to do their flying. 9E is Delta’s tax write off and a way to stave off independent regional carriers from charging them whatever they want. Just my .02

Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 4033515)

Skypest isn’t taking over anything . If anything it would be more effective for Delta to take over and absorb 9E , absolve scope and get any additional type aircraft they want and just keep more flying in house .

Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 4033515)

Skypest isn’t taking over anything . If anything it would be more effective for Delta to take over and absorb 9E , absolve scope and get any additional type aircraft they want and just keep more flying in house .