Could Endeavor Air be sold to SkyWest?
 

Recent events are showing that Delta Air Lines wants to limit its liability. The sale of Delta Global Services shows us this. All they're getting from owning their own regional, Endeavor Air, is more liability. SkyWest offers them a better product with no union costs, better fuel economy at 250 knots, and more calls for ride reports and ramp access requests on 121.5. I think it's likely that they're in talks to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest at this very moment. It could be L-ASA/ExpressJet all over again around here.

I hope we at least get 280 knots out of the deal.

Did Garbage Bag Gate give everybody a collective aneurysm? No one's even complained yet about the memo that says the D-10 ACARS is staying. This place has been a strange place lately.

Republic.
Delta parks the 200 as planned. Republics 100 ERJ order is perfect as a 1 to 1 replacement for the old 900s. If Delta does not sell of the 900s off then Republic will keep working on its CRJ program.

This is as bad as CNN. I know it's been quite lately but we don't need to make up BS just to post something.

"An idle mind is the devils playground"
Stay busy folks, go do your LMS.

The 200 is not going away, only cut to roughly 60 delta wide. But just ignore the facts

I agree. The last I heard from yesterday's FAs was SGU is trying to get Delta to actually admit that "SkyWest is the SkyBest."

Atlanta is having a hard time swallowing that one. They might accept it for the rights to OO's gates at ATL.

Me, I'm just looking forward to having to wear horn-rimmed glasses, a shoulder-mounted badge holder, and some stupid flip in my hair.

Whoa whoa whoa... how did you know that I wear horn-rimmed glasses, a shoulder-mounted badge holder, and a flip in my hair?

Eh, if you wanna pretend this that's fine. Contractually section one of the contract limits the hell out of any mergers, if they did merge we'd be in the drivers seat, a large chunk of the planes are guaranteed, there'd be a 5 yr fence never mind operational fences.

Skywest dont need us. Delta acts like they want us, and Delta have to give out a giant fat contract to skywest right before a downturn? Nah. I think skywest will be around when im 70 years old (so 6 more years at least) but its a bad time for mergers. Also, talk is talk, delta had mesaba on the rummage block for months and when the sale happened it was to an airline no one saw coming except a guy on here who had so many wrong calls it was finally time for him to be right once.

SkyWest said they are done buying other airlines. Messages from the top after the sell of XJT. Refocused on running SkyWest.. Not Running around all year trying everything to fix XJT...

We're building a new blast fence and Sky West is going to pay for it.

Did you happen to also complain on Facebook about a trash bag being left on your airplane?? Cuz you both seem to be smoking the same kinda crack.

We'll, his screen name is Dingus.... I suppose anything is possible especially with how fickle our ATL overlords are. I only know one thing for sure, and that's none of us know.

You parking your 200s will help make that happen.

I can tell that you've been brushing up on the SkyWest FO Creed, just in case. It's in paragraph 4, in which the new FO candidate must recite, "I shall dress like a tool."

Also, most everyone else appears to think that you're bat**** crazy, but I thought it was well played. You even got some OO posters spooked.

No, wait... sale to SkyWest confirmed. Delta sees what United is doing with its CRJs and says, "fine, we give up. You win."

This thread has so many twists and turns. You had me on that first half.

Well this sounds fun. Ya'll will love our student council. You'll even get a turkey coupon for a hard years work. TFAYD

Our union would be in charge. Prepare to have the student council abolished.

Im certainly not rooting for a merger but this would be the best thing that could come of one.

We need to get our voices heard. Delta executives need to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest. It would be a win win for the pilots if we got a decent seniority merge. We'd be on the team that gets all the new airplanes of both types. We wouldn't have union dues. Guys who worked previous 121 jobs would get pay based on overall experience. Come on Delta, sell us to SkyWest so we can experience what it's like to be the REAL gold standard.

If we got sold to skywest they'd be union with us. Since there'd be no non union company to compete with, though, we might still be first stop for all aircraft.

You do know that Delta did not sell DGS. They merged it with another company and retained their ownership stake.

Argenbright wouldn't pay what delta wanted and no one else would take the failing company. Delta goes from whole owner to stakeholder so DGS doesn't collapse when Argenbright finds out how badly run DGS is. That stake will be reduced over time, and maybe in time Delta the public company will release more information on the transaction. Argen is a private company so I'd guess 3-5 years delta has some small partnership.

You can buy into the flowery language if you want. Delta traded a bad asset and volunteered to keep themselves tied to it, because no one is buying DGS as a viable business. Meanwhile Delta gets to take important airports like RDU and turn them mainline, and I'd expect within 1-3 years Argenbright is running all tsa operations in ATL, DTW and MSP (delta side) and a handful of others.

Bonuses, we lose DGS and a private firm fixes some of the nonsense, and possibly the blue badge wearing smurfs get unloaded for something less badly run at a couple key airports. Worse case, Argenbright does what they are most famous for. What's the worse that could happen?

Umm... there are a bunch of XJT folks who might disagree with you on that.

We get sold to SGU, we become the next ASA.

Do you have any source for what you have printed? It’s interesting that a failing DGS could produce the best operational airline product in the world. How does that hapoen?

Ya, if you want to work for Skywest send in a resume. A merger would not be good for Endeavor

XJT forgave their section one scope to be sold, which was put out to a pilot vote. XJT was failing company with no prospects who traded section one to keep the company alive.

Our senior pilot group may have a few sell out section one if Delta said they were gonna shut us down, but the majority of pilots here will be hired somewhere else for similar money and possibly a flow, i think they'd ride this thing in hard.

If you have a scenario that fits with us surrendering our contract lemme know

Best operational product in the world lost DTW to a company called simplicity. Then it lost RDU to mainline ramp.

Please tell me more of DGSs best operational product. Any second they were gonna take ATL from mainline ramp weren't they?

So you have nothing to back up your statement! Delta has and will shift ramp services. DGS is doing just fine and the product speaks to that.

Take some starry eyed FOs who just got off reserve, still have 12+ months to upgrade, and have dreams of fancy Ejets and potentially faster upgrades. I don't think we have enough of those to make it happen, but those folks plus enough jaded captains could do it. MSP and DTW are a lot more junior at OO.

It's an unlikely scenario, yeah, but I wouldn't bet money either for or against it.

Wow. Holy crap this is a weird conversation. DGS wasnt doing fine, thats why mainline ramp is taking it back at important airports. That's why Delta wants someone else to manage it. Those are facts. If you get bored sometime, ask senior managers why we are doing latency checks. I'll give you a hint, it's got nothing to do with pilots as weve been trying to turn it into on the boards.

Thinking about your bizarre reaction, when in fact DGS isn't objectively a good ramp, is puzzling. DGS can be a bad service service and Delta still be a good company. They're bad at managing regionals too, which is why we're the best paid, you can talk to any of the senior people that had their head out of the sand for that. Union guys can usually give you a good date by date of how we are where we are. Delta isnt bad because DGS is bad. The refinery is being offered up for sale too, which was a mistake, but if oil shot up Delta would have been well insulated. Delta is still a good company despite a couple wrong turns. You're still weird though, exemplified by your posts.

A couple months Delta the public company will have some numbers for the investors, I'm interested as always to read it. Giving an asset (dgs) to another company to manage in exchange delta gives away their ownership is a fairly simple and telling move. You can see that by the joint flowery release.

Unless 9/11 times ten happens (9,110) we're all going to have a couple great years, i wouldn't be worried.

Edit: although i fully admit nothing is going to happen as fast as sold on. Not a big deal- but certainly if a pilot sees better opportunity somewhere else go get it.

They always revamp their ground services.

Northwest did it, Delta does it.

I've see it happen several times since 2001 between the two.

I don't think anyone is denying they are revamping their service. Just the reasons why. I don't think argen is a final fix either

Yep, because they like them to start over.

Keeps costs down.

Most of your post I don’t really understand. A couple of things I do get. Latency checks are because many of the pushback times are fantasy. I commute often on our connection carriers. It’s extremely rare to see the out time reflect the actual push time. Often the difference is substantial. You can’t run a good operation without understanding where the issues are. False out times mask the issues.
The oil refinery was a serious mistake on Delta’s part. The cost of the raw product does not change that mistake. Oil can go back to 140 a barrel and the refinery will still be a mistake. In order to try and lose less money Delta has cut the refinery way back on jet fuel production to more profitable distillates. They want it gone.
DGS was not given away. Delta retains 49% ownership in the new company.

You forgot the sarcasm emoji.

:p

There.

You're welcome.

Would you at least face that they went from 100% to 49% ownership (or some other number)? Im still waiting for a document saying what percent is what. Stakeholder usually doesn't point to much ownership. In bankruptcy court we'd be called a stakeholder. Its a private company so you have no minority investor protection like a public. With a couple additional metrics they can probably keep them honest by whatever contract they agreed to.

Anyway, the refinery would have worked fine at 140 a barrel but the "fundamentals" of oil have changed since the 140 barrel days, thanks in part to fraking, you shouldn't see anything above 100 for a while. Plus the middle east oil cartel might break up due to different countries wanting to exact a little higher price than what the saudis want. I wouldn't dump on the refinery decision too much, they werent fortune tellers.

You seem to not understand that the two companies were merged. You don’t merge and retain 100% ownership. Typically ownership percentages are based on the relative size of each company. If you can merge a company with another and retain 100% ownership you are in the wrong business!
The refinery does not save Delta any more at 50 a barrel then 140 a barrel. It’s strickly the amount they can reduce the crack spread which is the same. In the case of Jet Fuel they were seeing about a 7 cent per gallon reduction. The other refineries dropped their crack spread and all the other airlines paid the same for fuel as Delta. They gained nothing.