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Dingus 02-09-2019 07:58 PM

We need to get our voices heard. Delta executives need to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest. It would be a win win for the pilots if we got a decent seniority merge. We'd be on the team that gets all the new airplanes of both types. We wouldn't have union dues. Guys who worked previous 121 jobs would get pay based on overall experience. Come on Delta, sell us to SkyWest so we can experience what it's like to be the REAL gold standard.

theUpsideDown 02-10-2019 02:25 AM


Originally Posted by Dingus (Post 2760887)
We need to get our voices heard. Delta executives need to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest. It would be a win win for the pilots if we got a decent seniority merge. We'd be on the team that gets all the new airplanes of both types. We wouldn't have union dues. Guys who worked previous 121 jobs would get pay based on overall experience. Come on Delta, sell us to SkyWest so we can experience what it's like to be the REAL gold standard.

If we got sold to skywest they'd be union with us. Since there'd be no non union company to compete with, though, we might still be first stop for all aircraft.

sailingfun 02-10-2019 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by Dingus (Post 2757505)
Recent events are showing that Delta Air Lines wants to limit its liability. The sale of Delta Global Services shows us this. All they're getting from owning their own regional, Endeavor Air, is more liability. SkyWest offers them a better product with no union costs, better fuel economy at 250 knots, and more calls for ride reports and ramp access requests on 121.5. I think it's likely that they're in talks to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest at this very moment. It could be L-ASA/ExpressJet all over again around here.

You do know that Delta did not sell DGS. They merged it with another company and retained their ownership stake.

theUpsideDown 02-10-2019 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2760934)
You do know that Delta did not sell DGS. They merged it with another company and retained their ownership stake.

Argenbright wouldn't pay what delta wanted and no one else would take the failing company. Delta goes from whole owner to stakeholder so DGS doesn't collapse when Argenbright finds out how badly run DGS is. That stake will be reduced over time, and maybe in time Delta the public company will release more information on the transaction. Argen is a private company so I'd guess 3-5 years delta has some small partnership.

You can buy into the flowery language if you want. Delta traded a bad asset and volunteered to keep themselves tied to it, because no one is buying DGS as a viable business. Meanwhile Delta gets to take important airports like RDU and turn them mainline, and I'd expect within 1-3 years Argenbright is running all tsa operations in ATL, DTW and MSP (delta side) and a handful of others.

Bonuses, we lose DGS and a private firm fixes some of the nonsense, and possibly the blue badge wearing smurfs get unloaded for something less badly run at a couple key airports. Worse case, Argenbright does what they are most famous for. What's the worse that could happen?

ninerdriver 02-10-2019 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2760933)
If we got sold to skywest they'd be union with us. Since there'd be no non union company to compete with, though, we might still be first stop for all aircraft.

Umm... there are a bunch of XJT folks who might disagree with you on that.

We get sold to SGU, we become the next ASA.

sailingfun 02-10-2019 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2760943)
Argenbright wouldn't pay what delta wanted and no one else would take the failing company. Delta goes from whole owner to stakeholder so DGS doesn't collapse when Argenbright finds out how badly run DGS is. That stake will be reduced over time, and maybe in time Delta the public company will release more information on the transaction. Argen is a private company so I'd guess 3-5 years delta has some small partnership.

You can buy into the flowery language if you want. Delta traded a bad asset and volunteered to keep themselves tied to it, because no one is buying DGS as a viable business. Meanwhile Delta gets to take important airports like RDU and turn them mainline, and I'd expect within 1-3 years Argenbright is running all tsa operations in ATL, DTW and MSP (delta side) and a handful of others.

Bonuses, we lose DGS and a private firm fixes some of the nonsense, and possibly the blue badge wearing smurfs get unloaded for something less badly run at a couple key airports. Worse case, Argenbright does what they are most famous for. What's the worse that could happen?

Do you have any source for what you have printed? It’s interesting that a failing DGS could produce the best operational airline product in the world. How does that hapoen?

gojo 02-10-2019 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2760945)
Umm... there are a bunch of XJT folks who might disagree with you on that.

We get sold to SGU, we become the next ASA.

Ya, if you want to work for Skywest send in a resume. A merger would not be good for Endeavor

theUpsideDown 02-10-2019 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2760945)
Umm... there are a bunch of XJT folks who might disagree with you on that.

We get sold to SGU, we become the next ASA.

XJT forgave their section one scope to be sold, which was put out to a pilot vote. XJT was failing company with no prospects who traded section one to keep the company alive.

Our senior pilot group may have a few sell out section one if Delta said they were gonna shut us down, but the majority of pilots here will be hired somewhere else for similar money and possibly a flow, i think they'd ride this thing in hard.

If you have a scenario that fits with us surrendering our contract lemme know

theUpsideDown 02-10-2019 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2760946)
Do you have any source for what you have printed? It’s interesting that a failing DGS could produce the best operational airline product in the world. How does that hapoen?

Best operational product in the world lost DTW to a company called simplicity. Then it lost RDU to mainline ramp.

Please tell me more of DGSs best operational product. Any second they were gonna take ATL from mainline ramp weren't they?

sailingfun 02-10-2019 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2760961)
Best operational product in the world lost DTW to a company called simplicity. Then it lost RDU to mainline ramp.

Please tell me more of DGSs best operational product. Any second they were gonna take ATL from mainline ramp weren't they?

So you have nothing to back up your statement! Delta has and will shift ramp services. DGS is doing just fine and the product speaks to that.


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