Attrition
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning |
Originally Posted by glorifdbusdrivr
(Post 2946768)
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning I happen to know that several of the FOs are going to the majors... |
Originally Posted by NotMe
(Post 2946770)
I happen to know that several of the FOs are going to the majors...
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Originally Posted by glorifdbusdrivr
(Post 2946768)
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning For 9E attrition data, check the union Fastreads at the beginning of the month. In November we lost 16 Captains, eight (8) of which went to Delta and 14 First Officers, one (1) of which went to Delta. Pilots also went to other airlines, including Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, ATI, Sun Country and various corporate operators. |
Originally Posted by glorifdbusdrivr
(Post 2946768)
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning |
Originally Posted by glorifdbusdrivr
(Post 2946768)
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning Anyways, FOs and CAs are probably applying to these airlines because, they will make over 100k 2nd year and 200k a few years after that ... at all LCC and ULCC carriers. While getting a 12-16% DC into their 401k; from day 1 . Job security, bases, growth opportunity, work rules and QOL are just better at places that sell their own tickets . Legacy carriers, UPS and Fedex are not the only great jobs out there . |
Most FO's I fly with are not sticking around for the DGI.
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Most of us FOs aren't impressed by the DGI. It's a tool, but it's not a reason to stay.
Most of the FOs who have left who I know were ex-military, but they weren't exclusively ex-military. Lots of folks to B6. |
Seems like the FO's that I've flown with that are leaving or trying to leave are going to Jetblue. I'd say that's for lots of reasons, several of them live in Florida and want a major with a base in Florida, but also, as mentioned above, for an FO, even first year at Jetblue is a pay raise. Every year after is a pay raise above what they'd make as a Captain here. If they're looking at another year to Captain here, why not go there for a raise now and at least lateral (and likely above EDV rates) every year after?
As others have mentioned there's a certain amount of stability and additional quality of life to be gained at ANY major (even those that aren't legacies) vs a regional where we could lose our flying at any point. Also, with the DGI running about 50% and Delta being more than willing to hire Jetblue FO's, there's really no downside to them. They give up their 50% chance 18+ months from now, for a guaranteed raise now, potential to move up at a career airline and they still have the ability to put an app in to Delta in 18 months and they might still get called. |
I think the only people enticed by the DGI are guys who upgraded around a year or so ago and have it coming up around the corner. Mostly everyone else is trying for bigger and better than 9E.
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