Attrition
#1
Line Holder
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Position: FO
Posts: 31
Attrition
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
#2
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 213
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
I happen to know that several of the FOs are going to the majors...
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 159
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
For 9E attrition data, check the union Fastreads at the beginning of the month. In November we lost 16 Captains, eight (8) of which went to Delta and 14 First Officers, one (1) of which went to Delta. Pilots also went to other airlines, including Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, ATI, Sun Country and various corporate operators.
#5
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: the right side
Posts: 1,373
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
#6
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 104
Where are the FOs going?
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
I understand the Captain will be going to the majors but I'm interested in knowing where the FOs are going. Is it lateral moves or LCC? And for those who do leave, why not wait a few more years and upgrade to get to a major rather than go to a LCC? Just curious to the reasoning
Anyways, FOs and CAs are probably applying to these airlines because, they will make over 100k 2nd year and 200k a few years after that ... at all LCC and ULCC carriers. While getting a 12-16% DC into their 401k; from day 1 . Job security, bases, growth opportunity, work rules and QOL are just better at places that sell their own tickets . Legacy carriers, UPS and Fedex are not the only great jobs out there .
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 888
Seems like the FO's that I've flown with that are leaving or trying to leave are going to Jetblue. I'd say that's for lots of reasons, several of them live in Florida and want a major with a base in Florida, but also, as mentioned above, for an FO, even first year at Jetblue is a pay raise. Every year after is a pay raise above what they'd make as a Captain here. If they're looking at another year to Captain here, why not go there for a raise now and at least lateral (and likely above EDV rates) every year after?
As others have mentioned there's a certain amount of stability and additional quality of life to be gained at ANY major (even those that aren't legacies) vs a regional where we could lose our flying at any point.
Also, with the DGI running about 50% and Delta being more than willing to hire Jetblue FO's, there's really no downside to them. They give up their 50% chance 18+ months from now, for a guaranteed raise now, potential to move up at a career airline and they still have the ability to put an app in to Delta in 18 months and they might still get called.
As others have mentioned there's a certain amount of stability and additional quality of life to be gained at ANY major (even those that aren't legacies) vs a regional where we could lose our flying at any point.
Also, with the DGI running about 50% and Delta being more than willing to hire Jetblue FO's, there's really no downside to them. They give up their 50% chance 18+ months from now, for a guaranteed raise now, potential to move up at a career airline and they still have the ability to put an app in to Delta in 18 months and they might still get called.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post