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flywithjohn 06-24-2021 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by SierraMTNflyer (Post 3254061)
Seriously?! I want to see that trip because it's against the contract. 5 day trips are required to be commutable on both ends.

It’s a 4 day that end after 12a, this makes it a “5 day”. There is not very many.

JacksonThunder 06-24-2021 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Zerosilver84 (Post 3254063)
You get per diem for every hr you're away from base. But yeah the only way to get 1 or 2 day trips is if you pick it up in open time or take someone's partial drop at straight pay on your days off. I did just do a 2 day out of lga on my days off at 22hrs of credit last month. Shortest trip you might get is 3 days when you can hold a line. Nyc is gonna be a while just because it's slowly coming back. Expecting avg 100 departures a day in Sept til Dec out of just lga. Haven't looked at jfk yet.

When I say 3 day trip that will mostly happen once a month with some 4-5 day trips included


How many departures out of LGA and JFK pre Covid? It was a few hundred something? The trips out of NYC still beat ATL.

Green Needles 06-24-2021 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by flywithjohn (Post 3254130)
It’s a 4 day that end after 12a, this makes it a “5 day”. There is not very many.

Nope, there's actual 5 day trips that end at or near midnight. Look in the July bid packs.

KelvinHelmholtz 06-24-2021 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 3254163)
Nope, there's actual 5 day trips that end at or near midnight. Look in the July bid packs.

Which base and aircraft?

DreamCatcher 06-24-2021 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill (Post 3254079)
Then get your hours at Endeavor and apply to Allegiant, it’s tough to be picky to your needs in this market right now. We have a ton of 1-2-3 day trips at SkyWest, 4 days are surprisingly not as junior as you’d imagine due to commuters wanting them for efficiency purposes. No 5 day trips, actually interesting to hear you guys only have 4-5 day trips. With the positive space and longer trips, it seems well set up for commuters. If I lived 15 minutes away from the airport I’d be fairly upset being assigned 5 day trips.

Honestly, if that’s the case then i am thinking about picking a 135 gig(fly exclusive, etc) fly 8/7, be home based + better pay and skip the regionals altogether and then go to majors from there. Only thing is would need to scoop up atp/ctp cost

I am currently in FL and was planning to just switch to NY(super against commuting) but doesn’t make sense now especially with bases closing down every other day.

KelvinHelmholtz 06-24-2021 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by DreamCatcher (Post 3254196)
Honestly, if that’s the case then i am thinking about picking a 135 gig(fly exclusive, etc) fly 8/7, be home based + better pay and skip the regionals altogether and then go to majors from there. Only thing is would need to scoop up atp/ctp cost

I am currently in FL and was planning to just switch to NY(super against commuting) but doesn’t make sense now especially with bases closing down every other day.

If you only want to do short trips then 8/7 is not for you either.

JacksonThunder 06-24-2021 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by DreamCatcher (Post 3254196)
Honestly, if that’s the case then i am thinking about picking a 135 gig(fly exclusive, etc) fly 8/7, be home based + better pay and skip the regionals altogether and then go to majors from there. Only thing is would need to scoop up atp/ctp cost

I am currently in FL and was planning to just switch to NY(super against commuting) but doesn’t make sense now especially with bases closing down every other day.

To be fair we’ve never closed a base technically. Downsized and displaced pilots yes. Closed, no.

DreamCatcher 06-24-2021 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3254198)
If you only want to do short trips then 8/7 is not for you either.

i don’t know. Somehow it feels better to me to either do short 1,2 day trips OR a week long on road and then get a week off. Not being picky just somehow the 3,4,5 day trips seems not the best imo. I guess to each his own.

* what is the average rest time between those trips tho?

KelvinHelmholtz 06-24-2021 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by DreamCatcher (Post 3254208)
i don’t know. Somehow it feels better to me to either do short 1,2 day trips OR a week long on road and then get a week off. Not being picky just somehow the 3,4,5 day trips seems not the best imo. I guess to each his own.

* what is the average rest time between those trips tho?

Most likely 2-3 days off between trips as a junior lineholder.

JulesWinfield 06-24-2021 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by DreamCatcher (Post 3254196)
Honestly, if that’s the case then i am thinking about picking a 135 gig(fly exclusive, etc) fly 8/7, be home based + better pay and skip the regionals altogether and then go to majors from there. Only thing is would need to scoop up atp/ctp cost

I am currently in FL and was planning to just switch to NY(super against commuting) but doesn’t make sense now especially with bases closing down every other day.

Good luck with that. If majors are your goal, you need to suck it up and go 121. Guess what? Majors have mainly 4 day trips as well.

You don't have to go to a regional, but it certainly helps. Flying 135, you'll be lucky to do 500 hours a year. Do the math.

skyhawk33 06-24-2021 02:46 PM

I hope someone can answer this question, I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thanks!

DreamCatcher 06-24-2021 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3254217)
Good luck with that. If majors are your goal, you need to suck it up and go 121. Guess what? Majors have mainly 4 day trips as well.

You don't have to go to a regional, but it certainly helps. Flying 135, you'll be lucky to do 500 hours a year. Do the math.

I absolutely agree on the 500hours a year part but my friend major is not the goal, the journey is the goal. If i can enjoy the 135 gig then i don’t mind spending 5-7years? Before switching to majors if i’ll even want to then that is. But if i suck it up at a place that i don’t enjoy then that’s not good. Hence trying get insight from people working here so i can see where i see myself. But hey i totally respect people who are aiming for whatever comes first their way especially after the covid turmoil.

Appreciate all the insight though

SEMIslave 06-24-2021 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3254165)
Which base and aircraft?

I managed to find them. They are DTW 200 trips, but they all end with a MSP-DTW deadhead. So they aren’t that bad if there are flights from MSP to your home airport to alternate home on.

skyhawk33 06-24-2021 03:50 PM

I hope someone can answer this question, I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thanks!

skyhawk33 06-24-2021 03:51 PM

hope someone can answer this question, I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thx!

DTSguy 06-24-2021 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by DTSguy (Post 3253493)
Will Indoc and Gen Subs be done from home? What does the training schedule look like? 8am-5pm?


How much of training is done prior to going to HQ?

Paid2fly 06-24-2021 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill (Post 3254079)
Then get your hours at Endeavor and apply to Allegiant, it’s tough to be picky to your needs in this market right now. We have a ton of 1-2-3 day trips at SkyWest, 4 days are surprisingly not as junior as you’d imagine due to commuters wanting them for efficiency purposes. No 5 day trips, actually interesting to hear you guys only have 4-5 day trips. With the positive space and longer trips, it seems well set up for commuters. If I lived 15 minutes away from the airport I’d be fairly upset being assigned 5 day trips.


Depends on your base and A/C, we have almost no locals, zero 2 days, and mostly crappy 4 days that start early and end late!

Green Needles 06-25-2021 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by SEMIslave (Post 3254244)
I managed to find them. They are DTW 200 trips, but they all end with a MSP-DTW deadhead. So they aren’t that bad if there are flights from MSP to your home airport to alternate home on.

They don't work the greatest when you live in base.

SEMIslave 06-25-2021 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 3254529)
They don't work the greatest when you live in base.

You referenced these trips with regard to poor commutability, so why don’t they work if you live in base? Get in your car and go home just like you would a garbage 4 day with a late finish. I’m not saying we have great trips, we don’t. The reality is they generally have a lot of duty for little credit leading to few days off. However your specific examples of uncommutable 5 days aren’t the norm for 5 days, and they could even be commutable with an alternate deadhead.

skyhawk33 06-25-2021 08:02 AM

I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thanks!

Casualinterest 06-25-2021 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by skyhawk33 (Post 3254556)
I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thanks!

Ask HR. We don't know. Truthfully. It is still changing. They'll have the only factual answer

Helij3t 06-25-2021 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by skyhawk33 (Post 3254556)
I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thanks!

Have you already knocked out your ATP CTP training or it's part of your class in mid September?

Ticon 06-25-2021 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by skyhawk33 (Post 3254218)
I hope someone can answer this question, I’ve been assigned a mid Sept class and already completed Minneapolis in person documentation review, the question is, what should I expect next? Is there anything I need to do prior to class date? I have not received any PRIA forms to fill besides the ones I brought to Minneapolis. Thanks!

You will get further emails instructing you on what to do - its not much but watch your inbox to be timely. Be prepared to fill out a background check.

You shouldn't expect more PRIA paperwork.

skyhawk33 06-25-2021 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Helij3t (Post 3254576)
Have you already knocked out your ATP CTP training or it's part of your class in mid September?

I’ve completed my ATPCTP months ago on my own

ninerdriver 06-25-2021 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Helij3t (Post 3254576)
Have you already knocked out your ATP CTP training or it's part of your class in mid September?

ATP-CTP is scheduled, but it's not part of class. You aren't an employee when you do it.

Green Needles 06-25-2021 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by SEMIslave (Post 3254549)
You referenced these trips with regard to poor commutability, so why don’t they work if you live in base? Get in your car and go home just like you would a garbage 4 day with a late finish. I’m not saying we have great trips, we don’t. The reality is they generally have a lot of duty for little credit leading to few days off. However your specific examples of uncommutable 5 days aren’t the norm for 5 days, and they could even be commutable with an alternate deadhead.

The person asked about our trips, so I told them. What more do you want?

Ticon 06-26-2021 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 3254616)
The person asked about our trips, so I told them. What more do you want?

Dang made it to 11 pages before the passive aggressiveness started. New APC record I think.

Iceberg 06-26-2021 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by JacksonThunder (Post 3254200)
To be fair we’ve never closed a base technically. Downsized and displaced pilots yes. Closed, no.

Don’t tell the Memphis Mafia that no bases have been closed.

Beehan 06-27-2021 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by DTSguy (Post 3254354)
How much of training is done prior to going to HQ?

2 weeks of virtual/independent study at home before you head to HQ.

JacksonThunder 06-27-2021 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3255299)
Don’t tell the Memphis Mafia that no bases have been closed.

I meant at Endeavor, not the other 3.

DTSguy 06-27-2021 02:03 PM

Gratitude
 

Originally Posted by Beehan (Post 3255366)
2 weeks of virtual/independent study at home before you head to HQ.


Appreciate it, is there anything I should read up on prior to my class date?

Kforekyle 06-27-2021 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 3254163)
Nope, there's actual 5 day trips that end at or near midnight. Look in the July bid packs.

Just curious what’s the pairing number of the trip that ends at or near midnight?

Flying is Cool 06-28-2021 02:34 AM


Originally Posted by Kforekyle (Post 3255730)
Just curious what’s the pairing number of the trip that ends at or near midnight?

Don’t know if it was a 5 day but I saw one that ended with a DH to Detroit that got back to base at like 11:45 PM.

ninerdriver 06-28-2021 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by Kforekyle (Post 3255730)
Just curious what’s the pairing number of the trip that ends at or near midnight?

D7200 and D7201 are two examples. There are about a dozen of them.

Zakmane 06-28-2021 07:15 PM

How long to hold DTW on the 900 out of training?

web500sjc 06-29-2021 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Zakmane (Post 3256143)
How long to hold DTW on the 900 out of training?

This is based on the last published seniority list.

Junior DTW 900FO is a 3/2020 hire. There was no hiring between 3/2020 and 3/2021, so that is either 1.3 years seniority or 60 pilots from the bottom the list.

If your awarded the 200- it will be 1.5 years to hold DTW 900, but you’ll be in DTW the entire time. Junior NH is DTW200.

Casualinterest 06-30-2021 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Zakmane (Post 3256143)
How long to hold DTW on the 900 out of training?

We'll get an updated master seniority list soon when the next vacancy gets published. Check back

Zerosilver84 06-30-2021 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 3257080)
We'll get an updated master seniority list soon when the next vacancy gets published. Check back


Hopefully by next week as 21-04 is posted on the vacancy bid card

AdmiralofRears 07-03-2021 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by DreamCatcher (Post 3254232)
I absolutely agree on the 500hours a year part but my friend major is not the goal, the journey is the goal. If i can enjoy the 135 gig then i don’t mind spending 5-7years? Before switching to majors if i’ll even want to then that is. But if i suck it up at a place that i don’t enjoy then that’s not good. Hence trying get insight from people working here so i can see where i see myself. But hey i totally respect people who are aiming for whatever comes first their way especially after the covid turmoil.

Appreciate all the insight though

You make it sound so easy switching to a “major.”

Ticon 07-04-2021 04:09 AM

CVG based pilots:

How is living in the Northern Kentucky area? I'm thinking about bidding there and seems like it is un-commutable with out losing a day at each end. How's the flying out of there?


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