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preflight 07-21-2022 03:39 PM

Previous 121 time?
 
So we are giving longevity credit to direct entry Captains and paying them more than Captains who have been on property and we don’t mention that there is an incentive for our Captains who have previous 121 time to go to another airline where they can get that credit, more pay and a faster flow…

I wonder if that has anything to do with the higher than expected attrition. Does the ISL (or anything else) indicate how many of our pilots have previous 121 time?

preflight 11-01-2022 02:28 AM

Has anybody heard details of how this will work?

Do they pull the time out of Sabre? Will it be a form on the company website?

Is the longevity good for more vacation? Higher pay? Just retirement?

legend 11-01-2022 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 3524186)
Has anybody heard details of how this will work?

Do they pull the time out of Sabre? Will it be a form on the company website?

Is the longevity good for more vacation? Higher pay? Just retirement?

Vacation is based on Seniority not Longevity. The company isn’t doing retro to people with previous 121.

legend 11-01-2022 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by legend (Post 3524193)
Vacation is based on Seniority not Longevity. The company isn’t doing retro to people with previous 121.

If you come to Endeavor today as a Dir Entry CA with 10 years of previous 121 you’ll be a new hire(Senority) but on 10 year Captain pay.(Longevity). Is what it is...

preflight 11-01-2022 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by legend (Post 3524196)
If you come to Endeavor today as a Dir Entry CA with 10 years of previous 121 you’ll be a new hire(Senority) but on 10 year Captain pay.(Longevity). Is what it is...

So if that new hire turns 65 next year do they get to keep flight benefits?

legend 11-01-2022 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 3524543)
So if that new hire turns 65 next year do they get to keep flight benefits?

No
Filler

preflight 11-02-2022 01:16 AM


Originally Posted by legend (Post 3524793)
No
Filler

That would give it a good 20-30 NO votes...what's the point of longevity if not for retirement benefits? if it is just a pay enhancement, they should call it that..

legend 11-02-2022 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 3524897)
That would give it a good 20-30 NO votes...what's the point of longevity if not for retirement benefits? if it is just a pay enhancement, they should call it that..

Maybe ask a rep for clarification.. I don’t see them giving vacation etc for that. But I could be wrong. They (company)are walking a fine line stepping over those senior to them who have accrued the Longevity in years of service. Im guessing Skywest and others are only offering pay longevity with time served up to 10 years. I did hear of one that is higher.

legend 11-02-2022 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 3524897)
That would give it a good 20-30 NO votes...what's the point of longevity if not for retirement benefits? if it is just a pay enhancement, they should call it that..

The MEC will be voting not us as it should..

Bartok 11-02-2022 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by legend (Post 3524950)
The MEC will be voting not us as it should..

where’d you hear this?


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