Endeavor hiring
 

Hi yall

Does anyone know whether they are still hiring and doing interview?

Yes. But FO hiring is slow and classes are likely end of summer at this point.

now, if you have 121 time, I’m sure it’s much quicker.

Early June class date pushed back to August. A shame. Anyone in the same boat? Could use some suggestions or encouragement lol

Nothing to offer, but I'm in the same boat. Just got a call today with news of the delay.

if you are a DEC, how long is the flow to Delta?

After everyone else goes.

Assuming that Delta keeps hiring 40+ a month, probably five to seven years. The flow rate drops if Delta hiring dips below 40 per month.

Same – if you're already at mins, apply everywhere, but I don't think we'll beat the summer at this point.

Go somewhere else. Every day you wait is a day you lose of seniority somewhere else. Planes aren't coming. The flow isn't worth a new hire's time. You'd be better off going to Spirit or Avelo and you'd certainly get to Delta sooner

Would someone mind answering a few questions that I’m having trouble finding the answers to?
-What are the min days off?
-Is there a min daily guarantee?
-Is there Long Call RSV? Is it 12hrs? Airport standby? Regular RSV call out times?
-What bidding system are you using?

Minimum of 11 days off for line holders, 12 for reserves.
4 hour daily min guarantee
Long call reserve constitutes 30% of reserve lines, comes with a 12 hour callout. No airport standby/ready reserves as of 2023.
Short call reserve call-outs vary base to base. NYC is 2.5 hours, ATL 2 hours I believe, MSP, CVG, DTW are 1 hour 45 minutes.
We use PBS.

DEC Base
 

I'm considering joining Endeavor as a DEC.

I'm guessing LGA is the junior base. Is there any hope of getting out of there in a timely fashion? I'd be most interested in ATL or DTW

Thank you

You will be Co-Domociled. JFK/LGA. Transportation between airports will be your problem unless within a trip. You will be there for years as those senior to you upgrade and choose more attractive bases. If you're okay with this, your life as a DEC will be fine.

Endeavor hiring
 

Hi! Endeavor is hiring and I am recruiting DEC for endeavor. shoot me an email and lets talk [email protected]

www.responseaviationsearch.com

is this real life? did a bot post this? lol mods… TOS violation?

Looks like worse that a bot. Looks like a head hunter.

Unless he can magically drum up 1000 hours of 121 time on CFI resumes, I can't imagine he'll find much business. It's not like people who want to be DECs can't handpick their own airline right now.

Just an FYI to anyone else, I applied to Endeavor about two weeks ago via AirlineApps and I have been talking to a recruiter through E-Mail and they mentioned that I cannot go forward with my application process until I hold a valid passport. Mine is currently in process, and with class dates being so far out I figured it wouldn’t be an issue but the recruiter I’m talking to is sticking to it as a hard requirement which is understandable.

The good news though is that they’re the first of three regionals I’ve applied to that have actually acknowledged my existence. For that, they’ve moved to the top of my list.

High standards you got there

So can anyone confirm what's going on with hiring - are classes only upgrade & DEC right now?

Classes are only consisting of DEC or STEP program FO's from partner schools. Likely to continue into the near future until the CA/FO imbalance works itself out, which at the rate things are going who knows.

Don’t forget the propels.

just take the flow

they are not getting preferential treatment. If they get hired right now it’s because they are in STEP as well.

propel pilots have been getting special treatment since the inception of the program.

Isn’t that the intent of the program?

Ok, define what you think their special treatment is?

You can read a lot more details, if you are really interested.

https://www.delta.com/us/en/careers/pilots/propel

If your goal was to just poke at the critter, never mind.

Here’s one example. In 2022, DL capped the number of pilots they would hire from 9E. Dozens of 9E CAs who held off the street DL CJOs were held back at 9E for many months as DL filled the quota of pilots moving from 9E to DL each month with Propel program pilots, some of them FOs who had not upgraded. This caused the bypassed CJO holders to lose several months of seniority, and at 250 pilots a month these pilots were losing hundreds— I believe several lost 1000+ —seniority numbers, while pilots in the propel program were moved on ahead of them without having to upgrade. (This did not affect flow pilots—just OTS CJO holders.)

All the propel pilots I have met are good people and good pilots, but they are treated differently and receive special advantage from DL. This creates unusual stratifications within an ALPA pilot group.

Yea for sure . Even pilots that stick around for the flow get hosed by propel because most of the propels will get sent to mainline long before flow pilots if it takes the flow pilot 4 to 6 years to flow , thus losing thousands in seniority. Obviously this is the reason for attrition problems . Just like any other quota hiring , it’s not the people but just the unfair practices that pit one group against the other . They can just make it fair and simple. Either make it “Delta for all Endeavor” like both MEC’s are pushing or any pilot that sets foot on an “Endeavor” aircraft to fly it ( of course Delta owns it all anyway , LOL ) has to join the line to flow , regardless if propel or not .

4 to 6 years to flow…used to take 25 years for CA at the regions to get a call from the majors. My how times have changed!

25 years ?? I mean I was hired in early 90’s and upgraded to Captain by 95’ and got calls for Major interviews by late 90’s. That was about 6 years time span from getting on at a regional to first Major interviews . Unfortunately didn’t get hired . That was back when we had all Turbo props . Most pilots I knew back in the day spent 3 to 5 years at a regional before getting called for Major interviews. I guy I knew back in the late 80’s let me use his resume as a guide to setting up my resume ( back before internet , LOL) and he spent about 5 years at Henson ( old Piedmont Regional ) before getting on at Northwest . I know there were different decades( mid 2000’s) in which folks had to spend up to 10 years before getting on at a Major. I understand your point that it’s much quicker today but it’s the idea that pilots are flying Delta Metal and if 9E pilots are getting hosed in seniority by thousands of numbers at the mother ship by outsiders ( other airline pilots hired OTS and propel) and Delta doesn’t care , then I don’t blame those pilots for leaving for other carriers from 9E . Why stay where one isn’t wanted or valued.

From your example, I can see how that can be perceived as special treatment but the truth is the Propel program worked for those pilots as advertised. They successfully earned their place at Delta through the opportunity they were given. I don't have to espouse how important timing is in this industry and, frankly, they hit the jackpot. But that does not mean they were given special treatment.

It worked for them at the direct expense of other pilots who were at Endeavor. How is that not special treatment? For the record, I’m not against the program and certainly don’t hold anything against it’s participants. I just find the mental gymnastics a little bizarre.

The dictionary definition of “special” literally says “different than what is usual.” The propel program offers its small cadre of pilots advantages which are significantly different than what the usual 9E pilots are offered. The design of the propel program is literally to give its pilots special treatment.

Again, it doesn’t make the propel program members bad people or pilots, but Delta designed a program which gives a small subset of pilots advantages that the majority of others don’t have. Special treatment.

When considering advantage given to one group but not another, it is interesting to consider current programs like this in the context of big corporations constantly letting us know how “inclusive” they are.

You did not have the pleasure of getting swallowed up by the lost decade (really 9/11/2001 to 2014). Then it was a few years more to wait in line for those ahead of them to get called.

Folks right after you had to wait 25 years. I know them.

Current Capt willing to take New guy ?s
 

Hello,

I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.

Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.

Thank You

If you have previous 121 and a couple thousand or more hours you should just apply At Delta or the bigger airlines , you’d probably get hired quickly. The people at Endeavor are top notch , but the airline is shrinking.

My dude just apply to spirit, frontier or JetBlue. Heck even AA UA DL might even call you direct.


if you qualify for DEC, you are more than qualified for a ULCC

This. It’s not 2017 anymore, you don’t need TPIC or whatever to get a call.

Friend”s younger sister has been getting into flying and asked me about steps after CFI to get to airlines. Told her I think by the time she’s ready she will likely be able to go straight to an Airbus/Boeing at an LCC.

I put Endeavor on my "target" list a month ago on Airline-Apps, but I have received no response. Any clue? I thought they'd respond, they responded last time I targeted them in 2020.