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KSCessnaDriver 03-20-2023 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3610650)
Delta could simply do that... in 2029. The bridge agreement prevents Delta from taking most of the planes from 9E.

No it doesn't. It prevents them from being operated by another Delta Connection carrier. It does nothing to protect the jets from being parked entirely or moved to mainline.

ninerdriver 03-20-2023 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 3610660)
No it doesn't. It prevents them from being operated by another Delta Connection carrier. It does nothing to protect the jets from being parked entirely or moved to mainline.

I don't have the agreement in front of me anymore, so if you're right, then that's my bad. The interpretation we were taught when I was there was Delta couldn't take the planes off the certificate, with the intention to protect the lifers when they were so many of them at the time.

Avrogod 03-20-2023 06:54 PM

There’s also clauses in that agreement that allow delta out of the agreement such as a sale.

PilotBases 03-20-2023 07:13 PM

As we know with flow, if DL needs wiggle room, they’ll find it. It worked for EDV once, whose to say it doesn’t go against them when needed?

web500sjc 03-20-2023 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 3610574)
Why would DALPA even entertain those negotiations? They can simply say "we have rates for the aforementioned airplanes, put them on our certificate". There will be no staple, no integration, nothing. The planes will go to Delta (if they choose to go that route). The people will not. Some of you all need to think outside of just the pilot group.

I don’t work for EDV, but the conversation interests me, especially with how putting on The Hat has changed the opinions of regular posters here.

As it stands there is nothing that contractually or legally prevents Delta (the company) from merging DAL (the airline) and EDV (the airline) under the terms of the Delta PWA (just like DAL and NWA merged); I believe section 1.D.8 is relevant. Sure there would be a ton of messy things like dealing with all the unionized and non unionized work groups, but Delta can decide to make it one system in the stroke of a pen IF they decide that it is in the corporation’s best interest. I would concede that the above is extremely unlikely to occur, but if that possibility is coming to fruition, do you think Delta pilots would want a PWA merger with EDV, or would rather have some pre-negotiated agreement?

In the mean time, while we all ponder this fantasy- we can watch the results of forced upgrades.

TransWorld 03-20-2023 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy (Post 3610447)
Is a devil's avocado the opposite of a super food?

If you get it all stirred up, and put enough hot peppers in it, you get guacamole from h*ll.

PilotBases 03-21-2023 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by web500sjc (Post 3610702)
I don’t work for EDV, but the conversation interests me, especially with how putting on The Hat has changed the opinions of regular posters here.

As it stands there is nothing that contractually or legally prevents Delta (the company) from merging DAL (the airline) and EDV (the airline) under the terms of the Delta PWA (just like DAL and NWA merged); I believe section 1.D.8 is relevant. Sure there would be a ton of messy things like dealing with all the unionized and non unionized work groups, but Delta can decide to make it one system in the stroke of a pen IF they decide that it is in the corporation’s best interest. I would concede that the above is extremely unlikely to occur, but if that possibility is coming to fruition, do you think Delta pilots would want a PWA merger with EDV, or would rather have some pre-negotiated agreement?

In the mean time, while we all ponder this fantasy- we can watch the results of forced upgrades.

when is the displacement bid? Wonder how many will begrudgingly take the upgrade because they don’t want to lock out for 48 months. It’s a small bandage.

KSCessnaDriver 03-21-2023 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by web500sjc (Post 3610702)
I don’t work for EDV, but the conversation interests me, especially with how putting on The Hat has changed the opinions of regular posters here.

As it stands there is nothing that contractually or legally prevents Delta (the company) from merging DAL (the airline) and EDV (the airline) under the terms of the Delta PWA (just like DAL and NWA merged); I believe section 1.D.8 is relevant. Sure there would be a ton of messy things like dealing with all the unionized and non unionized work groups, but Delta can decide to make it one system in the stroke of a pen IF they decide that it is in the corporation’s best interest. I would concede that the above is extremely unlikely to occur, but if that possibility is coming to fruition, do you think Delta pilots would want a PWA merger with EDV, or would rather have some pre-negotiated agreement?

In the mean time, while we all ponder this fantasy- we can watch the results of forced upgrades.

Why mess with all that? Take the planes, ditch the cut rate labor groups (and cut rate quality, in some cases), and move on with life.

Imapylot 03-21-2023 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs (Post 3608316)
Air Whisky baby!!

I’ll throw some gas on that fire. Air Wis pilots are the lowest paid regional pilots right now. Neither management nor the union seem too concerned about that. Maybe they have bigger things on their plate. Why bother negotiating new pay rates when you’re just going to have to start over again when you acquire another airline?

DeferralsRUs 03-21-2023 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Imapylot (Post 3611107)
I’ll throw some gas on that fire. Air Wis pilots are the lowest paid regional pilots right now. Neither management nor the union seem too concerned about that. Maybe they have bigger things on their plate. Why bother negotiating new pay rates when you’re just going to have to start over again when you acquire another airline?

Not to mention they only fly 200s which are not long for this earth


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