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tsquare 04-07-2014 06:49 PM

Question for Endeavor pilots
 
Feel free to send an answer via PM if you don't want to respond publicly, but I was curious if your FOM calls for and/or allows single engine taxi and if it is widely used or not.

mooney 04-07-2014 07:01 PM

yes it does allow for it. Couldn't tell ya how many guys on the line do it on a regular basis though.

higney85 04-07-2014 07:29 PM

The -200 guys seem to do it much more than the -900. The SOP on the -200 side emphasized it more in the past. Not sure why guys don't do it more on both fleets. Beyond the obvious times to not do it (short taxi or contaminated taxiways) is accounted for in the previous statement. It's not even the fuel savings from my vantage point (although I'd prefer to have the extra enroute opposed to on the ground), but it's less riding of the brakes and no difference to pax comfort. Captain decision in the end, yet the company encourages it for the obvious fuel savings.

The other side is the fact that a good number of guys are less than pleased (to say it lightly) which tends to reduce the "let's save money" mindset of many. Unfortunate for the polar bears/pandas/whales/ (or whatever we are saving now)... But it's another area where a fuel savings bonus would save the company money and make pilots more cognizant of savings... Kinda a "win-win"... But what do I know.

Erdude32 04-07-2014 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1619014)
The -200 guys seem to do it much more than the -900. The SOP on the -200 side emphasized it more in the past. Not sure why guys don't do it more on both fleets. Beyond the obvious times to not do it (short taxi or contaminated taxiways) is accounted for in the previous statement. It's not even the fuel savings from my vantage point (although I'd prefer to have the extra enroute opposed to on the ground), but it's less riding of the brakes and no difference to pax comfort. Captain decision in the end, yet the company encourages it for the obvious fuel savings.

The other side is the fact that a good number of guys are less than pleased (to say it lightly) which tends to reduce the "let's save money" mindset of many. Unfortunate for the polar bears/pandas/whales/ (or whatever we are saving now)... But it's another area where a fuel savings bonus would save the company money and make pilots more cognizant of savings... Kinda a "win-win"... But what do I know.

Endeavor guys have ZERO incentive to SE taxi....kinda like when NWA was being put through the ringer and taxied on 2 +APU and then flew transcons at 72 or less if they could get away with it. You can only screw guys so long and not expect an adverse reaction. DAL & 9E are now reaping what they've sown. And with the joke of a 30% pass rate of the SSP don't expect them to fall for any more false carrots. The situation will only spiral downwards. The only thing that could turn it around at this point is a full on no strings attached Compass like Flow. RA sent BW over there to ckean up the mess. I'll be amazed if he can.

AlaskaBound 04-07-2014 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1619026)
Endeavor guys have ZERO incentive to SE taxi....kinda like when NWA was being put through the ringer and taxied on 2 +APU and then flew transcons at 72 or less if they could get away with it. You can only screw guys so long and not expect an adverse reaction. DAL & 9E are now reaping what they've sown. And with the joke of a 30% pass rate of the SSP don't expect them to fall for any more false carrots. The situation will only spiral downwards. The only thing that could turn it around at this point is a full on no strings attached Compass like Flow. RA sent BW over there to ckean up the mess. I'll be amazed if he can.

This is the 9E I know and love (that "love" part was sarcastic)

tom14cat14 04-07-2014 08:35 PM

Most guys I fly with do not SE taxi. I would say more legacy 9e guys do it then XJ.

Mesabah 04-07-2014 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1618976)
Feel free to send an answer via PM if you don't want to respond publicly, but I was curious if your FOM calls for and/or allows single engine taxi and if it is widely used or not.

Yes, the FOM calls for it. However, I usually only single engine taxi when there is more than a few minutes of taxi expected. Otherwise, it just more workload on the FO. I think it's widely used in places like NYC and ATL, but in DTW, not so much...

dingo222 04-08-2014 03:34 AM

Question for Endeavor pilots
 
Let's see, DAL pilots are getting 8+% profit sharing, and you get like 25 bucks and mgmt telling you no way in hell will you get a pay raise. Hmmmm..... Why in the hell would you taxi with anything less than 2 + APU? Let that dump burn

Farmlover 04-08-2014 03:57 AM

I thought that the fo's on the 900 couldn't start the engines, so if you single engine taxi the capt must stop mid taxi and start engine. Is that still true?

Tinpusher007 04-08-2014 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1619137)
I thought that the fo's on the 900 couldn't start the engines, so if you single engine taxi the capt must stop mid taxi and start engine. Is that still true?

This is no longer the case. Legacy XJ never allowed F/Os to do engine starts at all (why, Ill never know). Legacy 9E pretty much always did as SOP. So for that reason single engine taxis were more common on the 200 and less so on the 900 due to which crews more commonly operated each type. But now F/Os are permitted specifically to start the second engine during taxi so that the captain doesnt have to stop and do it.


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