More Downgrades at Endeavor Coming!!
 

More Downgrades coming to Endeavor as of 14-05! Enjoy!

Failing to see where these 2 -3 year upgrades will be for new hires...

Only until the EtD is in full operation mode!! Then upgrades galore!! be ready for them folks

Can't get more airplanes unless we can fill slots, can't fill slots uses we get more airplanes.........

Ouch. Haven't all you compass guys been down this road yourselves?

In the words of Gunnery Sargent Hartman, " Well, no $hit" EtD= yet another epic fail... good job Anderson... what worthless crap are you going to try next to get the kids in the pool full of turds?

With LOA 50 , getting downgraded is a chance to make more money.

yes.... and more pilots quitting that are being sent to NYC, thus creating more downgrades and displacements, thus even higher attrition while shrinking at a faster rate than before. Future EtD's save yourselves the headache and abuse-go to compass.

How many total pilots are there now? And compared YTD?

We have lost over 1000 pilots in the last year. 1839 total shown.... 20 suckers, er, new hires in the last year.

Why the downgrades? But i bet it only gets worse with Compass almost doubling!!! Not to mention SkyWest just posted a vacancy bid for 30 fo's MSP

Last week the fo's that I know all put in a compass app. These are mostly 7-8 yr guys. This place is sinking faster and faster.

Hopefully at some point soon Delta and AA will find that you can't run a successful regional with crappy compensation and pay caps.

My only regret after resigning was not leaving a heaping hot steaming pile of poop on a desk in the office in Memphis.

Based on the numbers at Compass when you factor in flow and the 50% growth of the company nearly everyone on property today will be upgrading within the next 12-14 months, upgrade time is coming down to about 18-24 months.

I know numerous FO's 5 years and up which is about every FO looking to bail. I know a compass FO who was hired last August getting 15-16 days off and upgrade within the next 6 months. Looks like July is going to be a ugly month with tons of cancellations.

But, but, BUT, you have non rev priority and jumpseat priority now!!! Take another concession, maybe you'll get to bump DAL pilots, and the upgrades will flow. Please follow Comair soon.

You guys realize we're shrinking because of attrition right?? By campaigning for people not to come here you are furthering the misery of your qol. It makes not sense to me.

They are not shrinking because of attrition. They are shrinking because they they have nothing to offer which is causing attrition. If they had more to offer there would be no attrition.

Nor do you.

Poor verbiage aside your willingness to let newhires prop up your lifestyle speaks volumes about your character.

Eagle/Envoy has been dying since I left it several years ago. The death spiral is just tightening is all.

Oh nice touch, but mommy, they did this and this too. I think we should vote them out of the neighborhood. You are a prime example of what's wrong with this industry by resorting to childish antics instead of trying to collectively trying to better this industry. I might suggest worrying about what's going on in your own house before throwing stones at another

You could probably use that same argument for giving up scope at mainline and their character or to those at other companies that wish for a companies or pilots demise also...right?

Are the travel benefits a sore spot with you? They had nothing to do with the bankruptcy contract. All of the changes to travel benefits were made after the fact.

Resist the urge to drink the kool-aid. Don't fall for management's false claims. Don't blame this on the pilot group. Blame management. Would you recommend Endeavor to any of your close friends? Come on. We all know better. Don't go to Endeavor. It's a lost cause and the sooner people figure that out the better.

Wow...really.
I sent an app to compass. As a new 1500 h guy, I guess I just have to forget about Compass... :(
They are probably going to hire FOs from other regionals almost at a 100%.
XJT, Envoy, SKW are not good options right now it seems
So then I am left with Mesa, PSA, Endeavor?

No don't give up hope. They could take tons of us and still need guys.

Definitely don't give up. The hiring hasn't even begun to take place yet to cover the next flow group, and of the new airplanes or attrition. We're still catching up from this year's flow movement. Keep trying. If you've read the Compass thread you know there are a bunch of new CFIs getting hired.

Not neccessarily, keep updating. We need a ton of people. You'll get noticed eventually!

After talking with some friends and doing somemath the most JR Captain hasn't been hired yet AND many people won't have 1000 SIC by the time their number is called leading to JR folk jumping ahead if they do have it.

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys...
This would be my best option especially if they open that DFW base!

Say an XJT lifer. What a loser.

Hm maybe I should return from my LTLOA for the type rating before they close the doors

Just bite the bullet and move on if you're an FO upgrades are not gonna happen in 2015 or anytime soon! If you're a capt enjoy being one of the highest paid FO's in the regional industry. I know it hard for 5-7 years FO's but a year more here and you could be a year closer to an upgrade anywhere else.

That makes me really uncomfortable hearing cfis getting hired and than being captain 12 months later, no experience necessary anymore to be captain apparently.

FOs now have to have 1000 SIC before they can upgrade. That's after they come in with 1500 to start with. It's been safe in the past and it's even safer now. If they can't pass training then they don't upgrade. The chances of a new CFI upgrading 1 year after joining a regional is pretty slim anyway due to the amount of hours they have to build as SIC first. I would imagine it will be closer to 2 years and even then they have to pass all the tests that a 5000 SIC hour pilot has to pass.

Tony, the rate reset is coming to you next year, and you need to match 9E on costs, during a pilot shortage, lol.

Man, I would have voted in concessions years ago if I'd have known it would cause you this much anguish!

Ok most airlines used to require a few thousand sic before upgrade anyway which is now going away, most pilots agree the atp rule doesn't mean jack as far as experience goes cause noone really cares how much Cessna 172 time you have prior to 121,and this pilot shortage is causing upgrade times to drop significantly in the future if not already. The tests you have to pass don't test experience, which is most important of all, they test memorization and how good of a gouge you have. So in reality this is in my opinion a serious safety issue moving forward in this industry, which once again goes back to poor pay and quality of life. Look at Colgan

I'd like to know what Trans States has in mind for those 100 90 seat MRJ's before I went to one of their companies. None of the big three are going to give up scope to fly those things, that leaves them open for Code Share only. I wonder if a certain foreign scam airline will be looking for feed. Something to think about.

The MRJ is still years away, they just finished the wings. They are years away from flying it. I just wonder what they will have for a stop gap plane until this finally gets built?

You realize this place should have shut down 18 months ago right??? RA and Delta can sit and spin on the leftovers of its "Endeavor"

What happens when they tell Delta NO a second time, along with Eagle and RAH? Do they ask us to do everything, as we continue to park planes at double the rate intended from lack of staffing? The best thing that could happen is the immediate death of Endeavor. In reality all regionals need to die quicker than that Norway nonsense....( save that fest for the other thread) Ultimately there will be bigger planes but less flights... overall crew needs will stay stagnant for years to come. seats available will be stagnant... RJ's will become beer cans and larger jets will cover cities that can handle them at half the rate of the RJ.