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whoareyou311 09-16-2014 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Survivor (Post 1727922)
Things are not always what they seem...

For example, consider the following copy from the Endeavor website:

>>Pilots hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment will, upon becoming and remaining eligible under the provisions of the Endeavor-to-Delta Pilot Hiring and Commitment Program document, be hired as Delta pilots. As an EtD Commitment pilot, you will not be required to re-interview with Delta as your selection and screening by Endeavor and demonstrated performance thereafter will serve as your ticket to Delta. <<

"and demonstrted performance thereafter..."

What does that mean? Be good little boys and girls (don't make waves and/or stand up for your rights), and we'll put a word in for you at Delta.

There is NO GUARANTEE that you will get a Delta job if you work for Endeavor. NONE. What Endeavor is, is a litmus test to see if you are submissive enough to suck up at Delta later on.

What if you end up in the sim with some jerk and he or she puts an unsat on your PRIA record because he or she had a bad day? Bye, bye Delta.

All Endeavor is, is one big checkride.

Beware.

What a load of BS....

You can't be a retard at any airline and expect to move onto a major.

True things suck here right now...but this place is not the worst place to go. If I was just starting out and Delta was my number one...I'd give this place a serious look. Especially if I lived with mom and dad! :)

Flitestar 09-16-2014 08:22 AM


Endeavor is just about the worst choice for any aspiring regional pilot. Go anywhere else.
This sums it up pretty damn well. The writing was on the wall for a while, Delta buying 9E was the kiss of death.

Now its not written on the wall, its actually written on A4 paper with DL's letter head on it.

AlaskaBound 09-16-2014 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by whoareyou311 (Post 1728151)
What a load of BS....

You can't be a retard at any airline and expect to move onto a major.

True things suck here right now...but this place is not the worst place to go. If I was just starting out and Delta was my number one...I'd give this place a serious look. Especially if I lived with mom and dad! :)

wow...absolutely it is the worst place to go. Get your head out of the clouds and look around. If you're not in the top 5% then it's by far the worst place to go...right up there with Great Lakes. There is a reason everyone who can is getting out ASAP. It's a death trap.

gojo 09-16-2014 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Kforekyle (Post 1728094)
Not really true. Delta will know EVERYTHING about you. If you happen to get one of those little letters in your file that falls off in a year that (insert company) will not see, Delta will see! All I am saying is know the risks.

No they won't if you're proactive about reviewing your file before you get to that step and get everything removed that can be removed.

ArcherDvr 09-16-2014 10:07 AM

What I don't understand is how are you supposed to get the two years as Captain if they are downgrading for the foreseeable future?

Lone Palm 09-16-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by ArcherDvr (Post 1728247)
What I don't understand is how are you supposed to get the two years as Captain if they are downgrading for the foreseeable future?


This will be your biggest hurdle, not whether you can stay in line or not.

bretthull 09-16-2014 10:30 AM

I'm curious, has this EtD program had any affect on the amount of newhires?

Lone Palm 09-16-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by bretthull (Post 1728260)
I'm curious, has this EtD program had any affect on the amount of newhires?

As of September 5th update they have hired 3 pilots.

PotatoChip 09-16-2014 10:43 AM

Got my EtD email invite today. I laughed and laughed, and then cried and cried.

Nantonaku 09-16-2014 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1728227)
wow...absolutely it is the worst place to go. Get your head out of the clouds and look around. If you're not in the top 5% then it's by far the worst place to go...right up there with Great Lakes. There is a reason everyone who can is getting out ASAP. It's a death trap.

This is true right now but any fee for departure airline is a lot closer to 9E's circumstances than you might think. Compass might be the place to be today, that might no be the case next month. There are no safe bets. Don't forget, this game is a marathon not a sprint.

How long have you been in this industry? You know how this industry works.


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