Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1728478)

Judging by the number of "my regional is better than your regional" or "I make $1 more per hour than you you loser" posts on APC, I really don't think it is that obvious to the average poster on here….either those that haven't been in the industry long enough for their regional to be one of those "bottom feeders" (it goes in cycles as you know) or those that choose to forget it because thumping their chest makes them feel better.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1728602)

Judging by this ignorant post it appears as though you're delirious and actually think that 9E is a good place since you're sticking up for the hole that it is. I never said my regional was better than yours or that I make a $1 more than you. Just like the OP said...Think Twice about Endeavor. It's no secret that almost all other rationals hiring right now are better to be at over 9E. Why is that taboo to say? It's fact.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1728651)

Why is it always the same group of characters spouting the same nonsense? We get it, you left and think you won by leaving, great. Yet you have to constantly come back to these threads and tell current pilots and potential new hires how bad it is here even though you don't work here? Why? Is it because deep down you know that in the end you might have made the wrong decision? That if you hadn't left maybe, just maybe, you would be at Delta in the next few years? Or that any week Delta has the power to turn the whole operation around making it the most desirable Regional in the industry?

Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1728485)

Hopefully delta will wake up and give us a flow along with the 30 other 900's. Then this place will be the next compass.

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1728665)

More like they still have friends who are at endeavour and know how crummy it is. That and they have more inside knowledge being a former pilot there than someone who has never worked there.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1728651)

Why is it always the same group of characters spouting the same nonsense? We get it, you left and think you won by leaving, great. Yet you have to constantly come back to these threads and tell current pilots and potential new hires how bad it is here even though you don't work here? Why? Is it because deep down you know that in the end you might have made the wrong decision? That if you hadn't left maybe, just maybe, you would be at Delta in the next few years? Or that any week Delta has the power to turn the whole operation around making it the most desirable Regional in the industry?

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1728772)

And I will finally hold a line while getting a hummer from the "Dukes of Hazzard" Jessica Simpson and hitting the jackpot at the Wynn.... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1728651)

Why is it always the same group of characters spouting the same nonsense? We get it, you left and think you won by leaving, great. Yet you have to constantly come back to these threads and tell current pilots and potential new hires how bad it is here even though you don't work here? Why? Is it because deep down you know that in the end you might have made the wrong decision? That if you hadn't left maybe, just maybe, you would be at Delta in the next few years? Or that any week Delta has the power to turn the whole operation around making it the most desirable Regional in the industry?

Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 1728867)

What 9E needs to do is close MSP so those old, crusty, washed up Mesaba guys will have to try the SSP.

They are the problem. Comair 2.0 unless they can pick those guys off.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1729334)

The name of the thread is Think Twice about Endeavor. I, as do you, have all the right in the world to post on whichever forum you'd like. I pick this one because I also want to make sure everyone knows how crappy and horrible and stupid 9E is and to THINK TWICE about Endeavor. I am former Mesaba, not original Pinnacle, and rode the ride until 2013 so I know exactly how things are there. I also have many friends who are still there and tell me NOTHING has changed (actually gotten worse) and I speak to them often.
We know you're a 9E cheerleader. You're in denial and wish you could get out but can't. I feel bad for you and I hope you catch a break. Til then, I will keep coming back to make sure those considering 9E THINK TWICE about Endeavor.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1728776)

I still work here, unfortunately, and yes, it's that bad... Get out and don't ever look back. I'm doing everything I can to leave with almost a decade in here.... even considering jumping to Compass and ExpressJet.. Just talked to a NetJets captain and that was very disheartening, as that was a place I was thinking about jumping as they have almost recalled everyone (most have said no)

Originally Posted by Survivor (Post 1727922)

Things are not always what they seem...

For example, consider the following copy from the Endeavor website:

>>Pilots hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment will, upon becoming and remaining eligible under the provisions of the Endeavor-to-Delta Pilot Hiring and Commitment Program document, be hired as Delta pilots. As an EtD Commitment pilot, you will not be required to re-interview with Delta as your selection and screening by Endeavor and demonstrated performance thereafter will serve as your ticket to Delta. <<

"and demonstrted performance thereafter..."

What does that mean? Be good little boys and girls (don't make waves and/or stand up for your rights), and we'll put a word in for you at Delta.

There is NO GUARANTEE that you will get a Delta job if you work for Endeavor. NONE. What Endeavor is, is a litmus test to see if you are submissive enough to suck up at Delta later on.

What if you end up in the sim with some jerk and he or she puts an unsat on your PRIA record because he or she had a bad day? Bye, bye Delta.

All Endeavor is, is one big checkride.

Beware.

Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1729348)

I'd rather be a submissive Delta pilot than a dominant regional pilot.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1729335)

Original Pinnacle is the problem. Your former CEO killed the airline. By the time the Mesaba management came along to save the day it was too late.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1729379)

LOL, I thought I would never hear someone say, "Jingle Pants to the rescue". :D

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1729334)

The name of the thread is Think Twice about Endeavor. I, as do you, have all the right in the world to post on whichever forum you'd like. I pick this one because I also want to make sure everyone knows how crappy and horrible and stupid 9E is and to THINK TWICE about Endeavor. I am former Mesaba, not original Pinnacle, and rode the ride until 2013 so I know exactly how things are there. I also have many friends who are still there and tell me NOTHING has changed (actually gotten worse) and I speak to them often.
We know you're a 9E cheerleader. You're in denial and wish you could get out but can't. I feel bad for you and I hope you catch a break. Til then, I will keep coming back to make sure those considering 9E THINK TWICE about Endeavor.

Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1729530)

Really? So you must go out of your way to play career counselor to people whom you never met, have no insight of their personal situation, on an anonymous forum? You left, move on.. Your as bad as shy guy. You guys sound like my buddy who is 32 and still talks about his touchdown he scored.......in high school.... Move on.

Originally Posted by Captainobvious (Post 1729707)

We are moving on.... To other majors, mid majors, regionals, and other career fields, leaving endeavor by the droves and masses. And for those who say its not true, well hey, you don't need to take my word for it. Just take a look at the seniority list from July 30th and then the updated one 17 days later (right around 35 pilots smaller). Pilot morale is made evident by which way our feet are moving, out the door.

Originally Posted by Survivor (Post 1727922)

Things are not always what they seem...

For example, consider the following copy from the Endeavor website:

>>Pilots hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment will, upon becoming and remaining eligible under the provisions of the Endeavor-to-Delta Pilot Hiring and Commitment Program document, be hired as Delta pilots. As an EtD Commitment pilot, you will not be required to re-interview with Delta as your selection and screening by Endeavor and demonstrated performance thereafter will serve as your ticket to Delta. <<

"and demonstrted performance thereafter..."

What does that mean? Be good little boys and girls (don't make waves and/or stand up for your rights), and we'll put a word in for you at Delta.

There is NO GUARANTEE that you will get a Delta job if you work for Endeavor. NONE. What Endeavor is, is a litmus test to see if you are submissive enough to suck up at Delta later on.

What if you end up in the sim with some jerk and he or she puts an unsat on your PRIA record because he or she had a bad day? Bye, bye Delta.

All Endeavor is, is one big checkride.

Beware.

Originally Posted by Pilot2004 (Post 1730944)

How is the training with Endeavor since they are modeling it after Delta now?

Originally Posted by Captainobvious (Post 1729707)

We are moving on.... To other majors, mid majors, regionals, and other career fields, leaving endeavor by the droves and masses. And for those who say its not true, well hey, you don't need to take my word for it. Just take a look at the seniority list from July 30th and then the updated one 17 days later (right around 35 pilots smaller). Pilot morale is made evident by which way our feet are moving, out the door.

Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1731186)

What's a "mid major"?

Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1731030)

The DL procedures aren't effective yet. And we are just switching to AQP. Training at Endeavor is generally very good though. Everyone will go out of their way to help you be successful as long as you put in the work.

Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1731193)

LCC is considered "mid major" by the discussion.

Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1731993)

Aren't regionals "low cost carriers"?

Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1731993)

Aren't regionals "low cost carriers"?