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Facebitten 01-29-2015 07:34 AM

Endeavor retention package
 
UP TO $80,000 RETENTION PAYMENT PACKAGE

For pilots looking to earn more than just experience in their regional aviation careers, Endeavor Air has an offer that you simply cannot refuse. As part of a long-term investment in the future of pilots, Endeavor Air has announced a four year, $20,000 annual retention payment package. When tallied in total, these retention payments can net upwards of $80,000 in additional earnings through 2018.

Endeavor Air, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines, offers industry-leading training, standardized operational processes with its mainline partner, incomparable global travel benefits amongst regional airlines, and the newest, largest fleet of Bombardier NextGen CRJ-900 aircraft in the Delta Connection network.

If you're a pilot candidate who is focused on the future and understands that quality flying experience is earned, not given, consider flying with Endeavor Air. We value thoughtful customer service, innovative thinkers, and employees who strive for reliable performance, without ever compromising safety. We look forward to hearing from you soon!

Endeavor Air operates more than 800 daily flights as Delta Connection using a fleet of more than 130 regional jets to more than 100 cities in the United States and Canada.

gatorbuc99 01-29-2015 07:48 AM

Interesting; I guess Delta's realizing they cut too deep and trying to beat AAG & UCAL to the regional pilot punch

Sushihead 01-29-2015 08:21 AM

It equates to 47.50 an hour for first year FO's!

Whiplash6 01-29-2015 08:27 AM

Don't listen to all the haters. Delta absolutely plans on paying every bit of this out, and the package can't be cancelled at any time.

FlyingOkra 01-29-2015 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1814327)
"Here's some Pokemon cards, just get in the van little boy"

IDK, I'm on the fence. Got any candy or a puppy dog? Lol

DaCowboys 01-29-2015 08:33 AM

Endeavor retention package
 
Does this do anything for the guys on property? Sry out of the loop

Lone Palm 01-29-2015 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by DaCowboys (Post 1814342)
Does this do anything for the guys on property? Sry out of the loop



Yes, all pilots current and future are included.

Endeavor200 01-29-2015 08:41 AM

Are we that desperate for pilots that we need to have four year retentions. Are we still hiring the on the 200

Lone Palm 01-29-2015 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Endeavor200 (Post 1814355)
Are we that desperate for pilots that we need to have four year retentions. Are we still hiring the on the 200

Yes and yes. It will be a pilot's market for the foreseeable future.

snippercr 01-29-2015 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by gatorbuc99 (Post 1814307)
Interesting; I guess Delta's realizing they cut too deep and trying to beat AAG & UCAL to the regional pilot punch

AAG has PSA and their 8 month upgrade and United has Trans states with their CQFO program.

gatorbuc99 01-29-2015 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1814359)
AAG has PSA and their 8 month upgrade and United has Trans states with their CQFO program.

At some point that won't be the case, however, and it'll take pay/benefits to attract pilots.

Farmlover 01-29-2015 09:02 AM

Psa ship has sailed. They are telling new hires 1.5 to 2 yrs for upgrade.
yes hiring into the 200, they are looking into pulling some back out of the sandbox here this spring I hear.

Urbandrone 01-29-2015 09:10 AM

What is the time to a line at Endeavor now? I know upgrade is a decade, but for QOL I see nothing more important than a schedule.

LostTime 01-29-2015 09:26 AM

Another 200 went to kingman yesterday, that's 4 in the last week.

Jetdriver7 01-29-2015 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Lone Palm (Post 1814356)
Yes and yes. It will be a pilot's market for the foreseeable future.

Take that quote and look whats been going on in every company. Taking concessions for the hope of new metal. AAG is even looking for concessions at mainline. When someone that says that actually walks the walk, get back to me.

Mx212 01-29-2015 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by LostTime (Post 1814388)
Another 200 went to kingman yesterday, that's 4 in the last week.

Haha, "As many as we can staff." Same ship, different day. The company's a joke. With all their carrots, they'd be better off selling them at the farmers market.

FirstClass 01-29-2015 10:13 AM

What's more important, cash or Captain time?

FirstClass 01-29-2015 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1814372)
Psa ship has sailed. They are telling new hires 1.5 to 2 yrs for upgrade.

Incorrect.

Doogi 01-29-2015 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1814372)
Psa ship has sailed. They are telling new hires 1.5 to 2 yrs for upgrade.
yes hiring into the 200, they are looking into pulling some back out of the sandbox here this spring I hear.

This is partially true. The 1.5 to 2 year upgrade is only true for the pilots who have no prior 121 time and certain Military/135 time to count towards the 1000 SIC requirement. For those of us who meet the 1000 SIC requirement or have the eligible Military/135 time upgrade is currently at 8-10 months and continues to drop. Currently, new-hire training is about 4 months from start to finish, so you won't be on the line very long before you are right back in upgrade training.

Concorde001 01-29-2015 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Lone Palm (Post 1814356)
Yes and yes. It will be a pilot's market for the foreseeable future.

It was about time!!! :)
But we are not there yet, concessions need to stop!

Endeavor200 01-29-2015 10:33 AM

[QUOTE=
Farmlover;they are looking into pulling some back out of the sandbox here this spring I hear.[/QUOTE]

I heard the same.

Bartok 01-29-2015 10:47 AM

Ha ha.

You chuckleheads crack me up.

Endeavor sucks, delta will never pay wah wah wah!

An LOA is as enforceable as the contract. Can they not pay? Sure, they can also not send your paycheck if they'd like.

For the next 4 years salary wise, endeavor pays more than any regional other than a 17+ year captain at ExpressJet. And way more for FO's than any other regional.

If they will stop the shrinkage and bring back some airplanes we will see everything shift the other direction as far as schedules and upgrades are concerned.

Hate away!

What's your regional doing for you?

80ktsClamp 01-29-2015 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1814372)
they are looking into pulling some back out of the sandbox here this spring I hear.

If they pull aircraft out of the desert, it will be to replace older 9E and ASA 200s. There are still a good amount of 200s to be parked for the fleet plan and scope.

DaCowboys 01-29-2015 02:14 PM

Endeavor retention package
 
Hope others follow suit!!

MavAv8r 01-29-2015 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Whiplash6 (Post 1814335)
Don't listen to all the haters. Delta absolutely plans on paying every bit of this out, and the package can't be cancelled at any time.

Delta can do what they want and when they want. They've shown it with you guys over and over again. I hope it works out for you guys I really do, but something seems off about it.

Farmlover 01-29-2015 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1814541)
If they pull aircraft out of the desert, it will be to replace older 9E and ASA 200s. There are still a good amount of 200s to be parked for the fleet plan and scope.

That's not what they are saying

Bartok 01-29-2015 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by MavAv8r (Post 1814654)
Delta can do what they want and when they want. They've shown it with you guys over and over again. I hope it works out for you guys I really do, but something seems off about it.

He/she works at ExpressJet.

MavAv8r 01-29-2015 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1814668)
He/she works at ExpressJet.

Do some research. I most certainly do not.

Bartok 01-29-2015 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by MavAv8r (Post 1814676)
Do some research. I most certainly do not.

Not you, the person you were responding to.

Everyone comes into the forum with pistols drawn!

TheTransporter 01-29-2015 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1814471)
For the next 4 years salary wise, endeavor pays more than any regional other than a 17+ year captain at ExpressJet. And way more for FO's than any other regional.

This is false. Skywest, Horizon and Republic captain rates are all higher then endeavor pay + bonus. Delta and endeavor cut way to deep way to late. On the FO side, endeavor adds up to about $59 (topped out with 1000 hours a year) an hour with the bonus. That is only $9 more then skywest and horizon. But Skywest and Horizon get that guaranteed, bonuses go away in bad times. Delta management shot themselves in the foot and this is just a band aid. Best of luck to endeavor pilots.

Da40Pilot 01-29-2015 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Urbandrone (Post 1814378)
What is the time to a line at Endeavor now? I know upgrade is a decade, but for QOL I see nothing more important than a schedule.

$20k extra a year for 4 years to wait 10 years to upgrade vs. upgrading in 1.5-2.0 years at a growing regional and making $60+/hour?

Uh....

Paid2fly 01-29-2015 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Lone Palm (Post 1814348)
Yes, all pilots current and future are included.









At least until they "close the doors".

Bartok 01-29-2015 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by TheTransporter (Post 1814787)
This is false. Skywest, Horizon and Republic captain rates are all higher then endeavor pay + bonus. Delta and endeavor cut way to deep way to late. On the FO side, endeavor adds up to about $59 (topped out with 1000 hours a year) an hour with the bonus. That is only $9 more then skywest and horizon. But Skywest and Horizon get that guaranteed, bonuses go away in bad times. Delta management shot themselves in the foot and this is just a band aid. Best of luck to endeavor pilots.

Not according to these graphs our union put out.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ubqg64...son_Graphs.pdf


And this is part of our contract now for 4 years, not a bonus they can just pull at their whim.

Bartok 01-29-2015 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1814805)
At least until they "close the doors".

It's looking like everyone cheering for this outcome will be disappointed.

Kind of like the chance the Jets have of winning next Sundays Super Bowl.

Paid2fly 01-29-2015 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1814818)
Not according to these graphs our union put out.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ubqg64...son_Graphs.pdf


And this is part of our contract now for 4 years, not a bonus they can just pull at their whim.





The charts your union put out are incorrect(sorry to disappoint ya).

Paid2fly 01-29-2015 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1814831)
It's looking like everyone cheering for this outcome will be disappointed.

Kind of like the chance the Jets have of winning next Sundays Super Bowl.








Personally not "cheering for this outcome", just have seen a very similar scenario play out with Comair.

Bartok 01-29-2015 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1814837)
The charts your union put out are incorrect(sorry to disappoint ya).

I can't vouch for anyone else's rates, but the Endeavor rates are dead on to my calculations.

Bartok 01-29-2015 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1814837)
The charts your union put out are incorrect(sorry to disappoint ya).

Just checked Skywest, ExpressJet, and Republic and they line up with APC posted rates exactly.

Horizon wasn't on the graphs though, probably because they compared same and similar equipment.


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