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clueless 12-04-2017 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2477120)
If you aren’t comfortable posting what you do here, feel free to PM me. It was a legit question. And no, it has nothing to do with hyd quantity, which is something we are supposed to check after every fight, since it is on the checklist with O2 quantity.

I was asking about the LFOTD, particularly the nose wheel compartment. I’ll admit I wasn’t checking it, until it was brought to my attention that it was supposed to be checked just like the walk around before every flight (not just FFOD). I wasn’t taught that way, which makes me think others may not have been either.

Sharing such knowledge, rather than trying to get someone in trouble, can help people learn from the mistakes of others. I’d rather find out something I was neglecting on here rather than during a line check, wouldn’t you?

I thought you were venting in frustration about people not doing their jobs rather than actual constructive teaching. It's a good conversation (if any conversation about a normal walk around inspection can be good). To that end:

I will admit that I was taught that way as well. Even on IOE, my instructor made a point to say the nose wheel well and the aft equipment bay were just FFOD checks.

One day my CA did a walk-around (it was like 65, partly cloudy with a light summer breeze) and I hear him open the nose wheel well and that got me thinking. Luckily for me, I like to do a little research (if there's time) before I make myself look like a total idiot...I found in the cfm where it says FFOD for the aft equipment bay but not for the NW.

As for the last flight of the day, the CFM says to perform a complete exterior inspection, which would include the nose wheel well.

I'd say just make sure your CA knows that the hyds are on or else she might start the secure checklist and shut down the plane with the hydraulic pumps still on, or with the wheel well still open. I'm sure that's not the worst thing in the world, but the checklists are put in the order they're in for a reason.

but i could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time

Five93H 12-04-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2476967)
Not to start any kind of contest, just curious as to how many folks on the 200, last flight of the day, turn on the hydraulics to inspect the wheel well area before leaving the plane overnight? Or do you just walk around and not open the nose door?

Don't have to do that on the 900. Checkmate ;)

(What have I done?)

HighFlight 12-04-2017 08:40 AM

You nailed it. Complete exterior inspection, which is the same as the before every flight exterior inspection, which means the nose wheel area.

It caught me off guard when the CA flipped the hydraulics back on after the shutdown. I did it like he said it cuz that's my job, then looked it up later. He was right, and I have been missing it for a while now. I wasn't taught that way in training nor on OE. Hopefully everyone else is doing it right, but as I said, I'd rather someone learn from my mistake here.

There is nothing wrong admitting when you're wrong. Or learning something you didn't know. I still find CAs who think the NW area check is FFOD only (changed in Rev 3, I'm told). Heck, I even flew with a LCA who told me O2 and HYD checks after shutdown are FFOD checks, until I showed him. We all can learn, anytime and anywhere.

Now if only the CFM could arrange the cold/dark to engine start in a logical manner. THAT would help new hires a BUNCH!

Quote:

Originally Posted by clueless (Post 2477192)
I thought you were venting in frustration about people not doing their jobs rather than actual constructive teaching. It's a good conversation (if any conversation about a normal walk around inspection can be good). To that end:

I will admit that I was taught that way as well. Even on IOE, my instructor made a point to say the nose wheel well and the aft equipment bay were just FFOD checks.

One day my CA did a walk-around (it was like 65, partly cloudy with a light summer breeze) and I hear him open the nose wheel well and that got me thinking. Luckily for me, I like to do a little research (if there's time) before I make myself look like a total idiot...I found in the cfm where it says FFOD for the aft equipment bay but not for the NW.

As for the last flight of the day, the CFM says to perform a complete exterior inspection, which would include the nose wheel well.

I'd say just make sure your CA knows that the hyds are on or else she might start the secure checklist and shut down the plane with the hydraulic pumps still on, or with the wheel well still open. I'm sure that's not the worst thing in the world, but the checklists are put in the order they're in for a reason.

but i could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time


Squak1200 12-05-2017 01:49 AM

Crew rates near ATL
 
Any recommendations for cheap crew rates near ATL ?

Reserve King 12-05-2017 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Squak1200 (Post 2477687)
Any recommendations for cheap crew rates near ATL ?



Drury is pretty cheap and not as nasty as some of the others. Westin has a Delta rate they usually let you use, which for me was the best option out there for the 1-2 times I needed it. That was years ago though.


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Punkah Louvre 12-05-2017 05:06 AM

changed in Rev 3, I'm told
-that’s what bugs me. We’re getti g constant updates to our primary documents without a list of changes published. A summary of new procedures would be very helpful no?


Quote:

Originally Posted by HighFlight (Post 2477240)
You nailed it. Complete exterior inspection, which is the same as the before every flight exterior inspection, which means the nose wheel area.

It caught me off guard when the CA flipped the hydraulics back on after the shutdown. I did it like he said it cuz that's my job, then looked it up later. He was right, and I have been missing it for a while now. I wasn't taught that way in training nor on OE. Hopefully everyone else is doing it right, but as I said, I'd rather someone learn from my mistake here.

There is nothing wrong admitting when you're wrong. Or learning something you didn't know. I still find CAs who think the NW area check is FFOD only (changed in Rev 3, I'm told). Heck, I even flew with a LCA who told me O2 and HYD checks after shutdown are FFOD checks, until I showed him. We all can learn, anytime and anywhere.

Now if only the CFM could arrange the cold/dark to engine start in a logical manner. THAT would help new hires a BUNCH!


WhiskeyDelta 12-05-2017 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squak1200 (Post 2477687)
Any recommendations for cheap crew rates near ATL ?


Quality Inn South and Country Inn and Suites also on the south side are popular. $48.70 and about $55 out the door respectively. The Quality will let you count your stays towards a free night after 10 visits. Only difference that I’ve noticed is the Country Inn has a better breakfast.

vessbot 12-05-2017 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punkah Louvre (Post 2477731)
changed in Rev 3, I'm told
-that’s what bugs me. We’re getti g constant updates to our primary documents without a list of changes published. A summary of new procedures would be very helpful no?

There's exactly that, on the first page. Did they not do it for the change that brought on the nose door opening? That's hard to believe.

Blueskies21 12-05-2017 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vessbot (Post 2477742)
There's exactly that, on the first page. Did they not do it for the change that brought on the nose door opening? That's hard to believe.

They do it but the changes can sometimes be somewhat cryptic. I'm betting that change was listed on the record of revisions as "preflight" and if you go to the affected page you can see a change bar in the margin showing where on the page the change occurred but it's sometimes hard to identify specifically what changed.

If you don't know current book like the back of your hand, good luck identifying a change.

In the 900 they removed the requirement for a paper ODH in one of the revisions and I didn't know until I got a plane that didn't have any paper ODH's and looked it up. The record of revision was "preflight docs" and ODH was deleted.

24Whiskey 12-05-2017 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 2477815)
In the 900 they removed the requirement for a paper ODH in one of the revisions and I didn't know until I got a plane that didn't have any paper ODH's and looked it up. The record of revision was "preflight docs" and ODH was deleted.

Ha! That happened to me too. Must’ve missed it in a fleet newsletter or something.


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