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07-26-2015, 09:34 AM
#151
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Originally Posted by Arvik
They should, but the horse left the barn on that a while ago and it's going to be hell trying to round it up and put it back in. In the meantime, taking decent deals when you can is not a horrible idea.
07-26-2015, 10:40 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by Arvik
To be clear, I'm not completely sold on the 2 year captain thing, and the union probably did a good thing rejecting it. Upgrade time can change, and you're essentially pushing everyone's advancement back by at least two years should movement stop (which you hope doesn't happen but is always a possibility). Having a requirement for 2 years as captain OR a certain number of total years at the airline would make more sense. If it were a guaranteed flow I'd probably feel differently, but as long as you still have to interview it seems fair to have a clearer path to that interview
They should, but the horse left the barn on that a while ago and it's going to be hell trying to round it up and put it back in. In the meantime, taking decent deals when you can is not a horrible idea.
They should, but the horse left the barn on that a while ago and it's going to be hell trying to round it up and put it back in. In the meantime, taking decent deals when you can is not a horrible idea.
07-26-2015, 10:42 AM
#153
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[QUOTE=gojo;1937647]I'm not entirely sold on the 2 year captain requirement either. And Delta shouldn't be either. All these LOA's are amendable if it's not. Working. Today 2 years isn't that big a deal, but it may be when mainline hiring really cranks up. I'm just not understanding why our current FO SSP doesn't require it and they're requiring new hires to do it. Maybe they should change it to 2 years of seevice.
07-26-2015, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
Classic Millennial entitlement attitude. Everything should be handed to them without having to work for it. They are "owed" a job at Delta.... just because. It would be "mean" and "hurtful" to demand that they actually earn their way to a major.
07-26-2015, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
So management earned their discount labor? It has nothing to do with entitlement, it's about not be exploited by using an artificial barrier. Literally, half of the industry didn't earn their job.
07-26-2015, 11:40 AM
#156
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My opinion... 4 years of service, with after year 3 being required to at least bid CA positions before FO positions just like LOA 50 required. Interview when ready (maybe after a year for a guy with zero 121 experience and lacking the "tmaat" type experience, getting through training, off reserve, consolidation of knowledge, yada yada). Interview and either 2 years as a CA or 4 years total experience w/ at least a year of all CA positions being bid. This would avoid someone steering clear of upgrade with a CJO for the company and allow at least 3000 hours of 121 experience, to have a min of 4000 hours of flight time before going to a major, even if -for some reason- movement stops. This would be a hiring piece, retention piece, and keep seats filled for the "career progression" piece of the puzzle.
But that's just a thought.
But that's just a thought.
07-26-2015, 11:42 AM
#157
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Okay, and if management/ALPA get their way, and Delta becomes a virtual airline, are Delta pilots going to fight for a flow to the JV airlines? Crazy as it sounds, but the last TA could have allowed Delta to offshore Endeavor, give us 777's, and fly as a JV.
07-26-2015, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
What the heck are you talking about? Virtual airline, offshore Endeavor...you sound as if you're high on ghetto ganja.
07-26-2015, 01:27 PM
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I think the commitment should be 9 years as an FO. Candidates also have to agree to 4 year pay-caps regardless of how the next contract turns out. Of those 9 years they are also only eligible for the bonus for 2 years. That will get them applying in droves.
07-26-2015, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I think the commitment should be 9 years as an FO. Candidates also have to agree to 4 year pay-caps regardless of how the next contract turns out. Of those 9 years they are also only eligible for the bonus for 2 years. That will get them applying in droves.
