Does Endeavor Have a Real Flow to Delta or ..
 

This Q is probably for Endeavor pilots. Just wondering if there is a 'flow' and if so is it something a new hire could count on? I'm currently considering Endeavor.

Not a flow, a guaranteed interview providing certain conditions are met (24 months as a captain for Endeavor as one)

Full information here: http://www.endeavorair.com/documents...rogram_FAQ.PDF

The only flow was the Mesaba pilots to NWA. After the merger between DAL and NWA, DAL did not want to honor the agreement (except for a handful) nor did ALPA try to enforce the agreement like they do or would with mainline pilots. Thanks ALPA! Although DAL still likes to advertise about having integrity I guess they must define it differently.

Any idea what the interview success rate is? Perhaps what I'm trying to say is: Is the 'guaranteed interview' more in word that in deed? Is it sincere?

My guy there says success rate is about 70%, though that fluctuates depending on who goes for the interview. If you're hungry, want it bad enough, and willing to refresh yourself on systems before you go, then it's more than word - it's earned.

Sounds like a lot of guys go into the interview with a sense of entitlement, which ends up burning them. Much like most things in life, if you work hard, you'll be successful.

Good luck as you make your decision. Endeavor is growing, is offering a lot of career progression, and pays more than most. Plus, if you live in the Midwest or East, really aren't many more reliable options. Listen - if Delta is where you want to fly, give 9E a serious look. Don't listen to us here on the boards!

Um... What about Compass? Originally with NWA and honored post merger.

Because no Compass pilots are employed at Endeavor (unless they jumped ship). I believe he is only referring to flow within the Endeavor profile (Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan).

Didn't think about that, oops.

Endeavor or Compass? Any thoughts?
 

I applying to both but honestly don't know much as far as what's behind the curtain. It's hard to know about an airline from the outside. HR and pilot recruitment paint one picture, but every canvas has two sides... Any insight would be sincerely appreciated.

* I was originally only referring to Endeavor but now you've me thinking about Compass' flow; Does someone know how that is working out. It it for real or just some deceptive marketing?

Sounds like you have no idea what really goes on with these interviews. Alot of qualified, experienced and well prepared pilots go to the interview and get rejected.

The Compass flow is done, or a few stragglers are moving on in the next few months. They don't have a hiring agreement with Delta any longer.

I'm hearing strong winds about fleet expansion and increased pay from 9E. My recruiter pal said the union had been meeting with execs all week on a deal to increase pay and flying. Stay tuned!

You're right. I don't. I am new to applying to airlines. And because I don't know much about it, that's why I'm asking. I hope my asking doesn't sound like I'm taking something for granted. I am grateful. Earnestly grateful for these opportunities.

What is E9? And what does SSP mean? I keep seeing SSP.

True, likely on both fronts. Just sounds like there's also been a lot of folks who cancel their interviews without a second thought for the guy/gal behind them. I've heard the Delta interview isn't a cake walk and even the best prepared folks struggle.

What is upgrade time at Endeavor? 8 years I thought I saw at the other thread, not a poking fun question, it's an honest one out of curiosity.

Depends on who you listen to. If we hire 60 a month next year and can expand the fleet the way they want, I've heard as low as 18-24 months. Realistically, probably around 3ish years though.

The most junior upgrade on the recent vacancy was late 2007 I believe. Once we get through 2007 and early 2008 hires, it should come down, not as many guys in the 2008-2011 period, and none from 2011-2014.

9E is Endeavor - You can look up codes here: http://www.iata.org/publications/Pages/code-search.aspx

SSP stands for Starspeed. ;)

Just kidding. In this instance, it means Streamline Selection Process

Where the He!! did you get that bs? Completely fabricated and not how it went down. I talked with one of the reps that got kicked out and one that went back in to the talks.

I hope you know that Compass retained all 400 or so that where to flow. Mesaba did not. "nor did ALPA try to enforce the agreement like they would with mainline pilots". Complete lie. Actually the word "force" being a key word in its failure.
You can figure out the rest. Or go ask a rep that was there.

You're right I don't and that's why I am asking. I want understand the industry the best I can. I can't do it alone. I hope I didn't sound ungrateful for these opportunities to apply. I don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

If you are referring to Imapilot2's post, he was not talking to you. Note he quoted jethikoki.

No begood I was speaking to someone who was spreading misinformation.

Even without a flow Endeavor is a good airline. Remember why you do this and all else falls in line. Love the flying and try not to commute if possible and the ups and downs will be OK in the long run. Endeavor like many other regionals has had its ups and downs for decades and like others always will. The difference in mainline pay to regionals is large. Regional to regional not so much. Love to fly, focus on that and try not to commute long term. Enjoy my friend.

Thank you! Imapilot2. Will do.

In another thread, I cautioned someone against hanging their hat on a flow. Don't do it. Get your experience and time and get yourself as best qualified as you can for the place you want to work. Don't depend (for God's sake) on a regional to do that for you.

Or.... do just what you advise, while working for a regional that has a flow, in case things change and it becomes tougher to get hired at a mainline. That way, you have two options as opposed to just one.

Anyone know how long new hires will be on reserve?

From guys ahead of me on DTW 200, 3-4 months.

That doesn't sound bad. So what are these guys talking about when they say Senior Capts are on reserve?

Did Sery recruit any of you?
Oh, gotta love the comment about concentrating on the love of flying... That's a bunch of feel good nonsense, you'll spend more time concentrating on when you can go back home, and your commute, and only caring about the size of your paycheck. A job is a job.

By definition, if you are on reserve, you are not senior. Depending on base and premerger group, 9-10 years is a line holder as a CA in NY. If you want to be in DTW and MSP then it's higher. No CA is forced to be in those senior bases, they choose to, and by extension, choose to be on reserve. If they wanted a line, they could commute to it, but QOL is king, so reserve at home is better than a line with more days off that you have to commute to.

Senior captains aren't on rsv. Even rsv on capt side is low. Upgrade classes that are coming out right now have 2 months of rsv.

I was on reserve for 6 weeks as a MSP -200 FO. I was also the oldest of the -200 pilots in my class however.

How and why is that a factor ?

That means he had the highest seniority number of his class.

some people look it at as a career instead of a day to day job. to each his own. Also when you have been in it for a couple decades you find it more of a survival tool than a feel good nonsense.

This. Those who always talk bad about the airlines with flow act as if it is the only option for those pilots. As if they are locked in forever until they flow. (These critics usually come from airline without a flow, imagine that) Choosing an airline with flow is like taking extra fuel above the minimum required on a flight. Even if you are not required to have it, and hope you would never have to use it, why wouldn't you take it?

Getting "qualified" as quickly as possible hoping that you will stand out among 12,000 other pilots that have the exact same qualifications as you do is just as much as, or more of a "risk" as having a contractually required flow.

Exactly the attitude that erased many during the last decade from this profession. I was giving him advice on how to be successful and enjoy his choice of being an airline pilot. Never understood people who live so miserably in my opinion at something they had chosen to do the rest of their working life. The will always be tough times in this, as most of use learned in college, fixating on that will be poison.

Baloney, MSP is actually the more junior 900 CA base. JFK is the most senior. (pre vacancy 15-06... haven't looked at the shakeout from that as it's not final yet) In fact it's pretty even across MSP, DTW, and LGA for reserve seniority, and yes there are 11+ year seniority pilots on reserve (thanks to Bloch)

The Bloch award and its implications have no bearing on new hires. If you get hired today with the current growth plan you will be looking at upgrade within 2 years. During these two years you will make 40k in bonus. That should put your compensation for these two years around 100 k without having to pick up extra flying. If you do pick up some open time the number only goes up. Soon all open time will be at 150% as well. They are trying to get things back to the days where you coming here for 5 years then leave, maybe to Delta or maybe to the major of your choice.

Ok. I'm flying this trip with a 10yr JFK CA who has a 14 day off line in JFK. Point still stands, if you are on reserve, you are not senior in your seat and your base. 10yr holds a line in JFK for a CA (maybe less, I haven't really looked beyond asking the guy next to me how long he's been here), 6 months for an FO.